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Sorry, but this is really rock bottom. Darth Nihl?! These Legacy Era Sith really have lame names. KEJ 21:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Well almost every name for a Sith has meaning, Nihl means empty or nothing so i don't know about you but empty sounds kind of dark wouldnt you say? Synyster V 19:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • But there are good ones now as well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Meh, I don't think it's nearly as bad as Darth Maladi. Or Darth Stryfe. - Bub
    • Good ones? Which ones? I think all the names I've encoutered so far are the lamest. I really hope the relegate all this Legacy nosense to non-canon status. KEJ 08:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm actually hoping for the same thing, believe it or not. Legacy 0 mentions nothing about the Dark Nest Crisis or the Legacy of the Force series, making it seem to me like they're pulling a SuperShadow—disregarding it as canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
        • "Pulling a SuperShadow"... that's gotta be the best expression ever ;-) I hope they'll relegate it. I would hate to see the SW-universe be ruined by ridiculous nonsense (the horrible memories of IG-88 taking control of the Second Death Star are still fresh in my mind). KEJ 16:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • "Casting aside his former personal ambitions, Nihl became a Sith..."does anyone else find that to be an oxymoron? -- SFH 21:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I thought we already knew that they weren't going to reference Legacy of the Force this early in the series, so as not to spoil anything for us. Lieutenant Gerard 03:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Where did it say that? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I remember hearing that as well, don't remember where. Something about not wanting to "tie their hands." But I guarantee you that they aren't going to retroactively declare it non-canon. THey have lots of people working on continuity. It will all work out in the end, I promise. Lonnyd 12:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
        • I understand they wouldn't want to spoil LotF, but there's no mention of the Dark Nest Trilogy, which strikes me as odd. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
          • They're two separate storylines, and it's not common for novels to reference comics and vice versa - though obviously it does happen. In this case, both projects are independent (even the similar names were pure coincidence, with neither group knowing the other would be using the term Legacy). Jan and John have said that there might be a few references, though nothing major, so as not to spoil LotF - Kwenn 12:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Sikon, for putting it back. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oops! A few errant key strokes. --SparqMan 19:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Did Nihl Lead the Massacre of Ossus?

From what we've seen it seems like Darth Nihl was the leading Sith in the Massacre of Ossus, should we note this on the article? --Sauron18 13:17, 16 June 2006

  • Judging from his lines, he's speaking for Krayt, so yes, it seems he's the "highest-ranking" Sith there - Kwenn 18:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
    • After all, he was a Hand. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Wait, he didn't kill Wolf, he just punched him in the stomach. I know it looks like a lightsaber stab but his lightstaff is on his other hand(not sure if it's already changed)--Sauron18 13:17, 16 June 2006
        • Wolf only lost his right arm. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Yeah, I juts put the comment because at the time I wrote it, someone had put "slew", and I knew it wasn't true, but my internet was crapped up for a while so when it came back I just placed the message without knowing it had been changed.
      • Didn't Darth Stryfe, The Fist of Darth Krayt, lead the Imperials to the Massacre of Ossus? —Unsigned comment by 71.197.184.90 (talk • contribs)

Lightsaber or Lightstaff?

  • Nihl's lightsaber is the longest lightsaber I've seen so far, staff long, its longer than half of him. Could it be considered a lightstaff, or rather just a unique saber? I'm not even sure if lightstaff is a real term but I think I heard it somewhere. --Sauron18 20:38, 16 June 2006
    • I don't think it's unique, because I believe there are many other long lightsaber hilts. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
      • From what we have seen the Sith does seem to prefer a bit longer lightsaber hilts than "normal", but nothing we've been shown this far is even close to this. It's about 1.5m! Charlii 19:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Wasn't there a very long one in one of the Old Republic era comics? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
          • there was a staff, just a force powered weapon, but there hasn't been a wepaon like this i don't think..Jedi Dude
            • Are you completely sure? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
              • There wasn't in canon as far as I'm concerned. I do remember a Jeff Carlisle artwork that had a Female With a lightsaber similar to this one

http://theforce.jaymach.com/images/Lightstaff.jpg

But she isn't in any story as far as I know, and the Old Republic ones were artistically wrong I think, because in the NEGWT they show specs of them normal size. --Sauron18 18:29, 17 June 2006

  • Oh well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Considering Darth maul's weapon. It had an extended grip (granted it was a DBL) but he still used it when fighting with a single blade. Jasca Ducato 18:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
      • True. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 18:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
        • It reminds me of a 16th century Halberd, but I believe one of the samurai in Kurosawa's Seven Samurai used a katana like that -effective against calvary attacks. And knowing Jan Duursema's connection with martial arts & swordfighting. . . .Tocneppil 08:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Okay, now I remember -Toshiro Mifune's character wielded the long-handled sword. Swords of that type are called Nagamaki swords, meaning literally 'long wrapping' and they were popular in Japan between the 12th & 14th centuries.Tocneppil 08:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Merged from Talk:Darth Nihl's unique lightsaber

Name

Canon name? -- SFH 22:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Lightsaber Spear/ Lightspear Sato Stars 22:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Couldn't it also just be a long handled lightsaber? I don't see why this can't be a three line element of the Darth Nihl article. --SparqMan 02:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
    • You're absolutely right Sparq. There's plenty of expansion needed to his article anyway. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Doesn't Nihl also have a wrist-worn minisaber which he stabs Wolf with? Or was I just looking at the picture wrong?
  • Yeah, what is that? A wrist-saber? Some kind of hold-out blade?Tocneppil 07:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, it's probably a small lightsaber—let me take a look again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 13:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
      • There is no visible lightsaber wound on Wolf after the attack. There is also no visible blade in the frame, or any emitter on Nihl's wrist. Unless we have a confirmation from Jan or John I say we have to leave it out. Charlii 10:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Then what does he use? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
          • High-effect stun-gun? Force based attack? Of course I'm not saying it's imposible for it to have been a lightsaber, just that we don't have avy proof of it... Charlii 13:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
            • It's definitely something that cuts. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 14:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
              • Yeah, reading it again makes me think it's most likely a wrist-mounted blaster, but I'm far from sure. Charlii 18:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
                • "Blaster"? Don't you mean blade? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
                  • Looks more like a blaster shot to me too --Sauron18 18:01 02 July 2006 (CDT)
                    • An energy-variant of the ol' Lanvarok, perhaps? It is on his left wrist.Tocneppil 00:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
                      • I've examined that image of Wolf loosing his arm over and over, and there's no way it's a blaster. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
                        • We're not talking about when he lost his arm, that was done by his abnormally long lightsaber. We're talking about when he was struck in the chest (right after), which was with a wrist mounted blaster.
Here is a close picture of the wrist blaster:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1084/nihlblas4mg.jpg
If you analyze it, it looks more like Duursema-Blaster shots, and the way Nihl uses it makes it seem like a blaster. --Sauron18 20:54 03 July 2006 (CDT)

"Lanvarok Style"?

This is really just speculation. Is there a reason why it couldn't just be something like this? --Sauron18 22:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Either way, all we've got is speculation. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 03:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Agreed, it is speculation -but the Lanvarok article does have an illustration that looks similar to what Nihil is wearing, with some esthetic differences. But the point made in that article of Sith Lanvarok's being on the left wrist is what tipped me off. And why just give a character a wrist-blaster when something like this is better suited to their background.Tocneppil 09:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
      • All the article says is that his weapon is simlar to a lanvarok, not that it is one. That much is true, and being that he is a sith, it's justified in my mind. Lonnyd 10:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Well put. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 14:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
          • Except the actual thing emitted has nothing to do with a lanvarok, you need the little disk, and Nihl's thing is just shooting something. Lanvarok Style would imply the disk, which is not there. --Sauron18 18:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
            • i agree with Sauron, its not a Lanvarok because the whole point is that a lan shoots solid objects, discs etc not blaster bolts. im guessing its more a wrist blaster kind of weapon. but we can't keep speculation until we know more its proberly best to leave things. Jedi Dude 18:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                • I agree as well, I was using the term only as a descriptive & referring to the launcher -I hadn't thought that Lanvarok might be the name of the discs launched from it (I had thought it was funny that Lanvaroks evolved from axelike melee weapons to wrist-launchers when I first read the Star Wars Insider article). And I'm leery about calling it a Lanvarok when it shoots(?) energy beams -hence Lanvarok 'style'. I think real blades are more in keeping with Nagai characters.Tocneppil 20:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                  • For God's sake, it's Lanvarok-style!! Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                    • Really, there is nothing specifically "Lanvaroky" about it, particular when the lanvarok's main attribute (and only) is shooting a disk, the gauntlet is not a specific part of the design, as seen in the Massassi Lanvarok. --Sauron18 21:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                      • Didn't Sith use Lanvaroks, though? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                        • its not Lanvarok-style at all, that would involve discs. its a wrist gauntlet nuthin to do with lanvaroks at all. yes they may have done but this is a blaster, well it looks like one Jedi Dude 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                          • And how do we know that there can't be a modified Lanvarok using a blaster instead? I'll remove it, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
                            • Yeah, what makes something a Lanvarok is the disk mechanism, not what it's on:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9574/lanva0mv.jpg
As evidence by the two types of Lanvarok we've seen and the only thing they have in common --Sauron18 22:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Then it wouldn't be a lanvarok, it would be wrist mounted blaster ;) --Sauron18 00:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Okay... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
      • (shrugging)And a rose by any other name . . .I guess saying it's a Lanvarok-style wrist-blaster is just as bad as saying Cade wears Vader-style pants. Or trying to come up with a specific name for what is probably nothing more than a long-handled lightsaber .Tocneppil 07:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Fight with Cade

Cade goes after him in Legacy #7. Sweet! If you read the preview the look on Nihls' face is pricless!

  • Please keep all opinions and unnecessary comments of off talk pages. Wookieepedia is not a forum. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
    • While labels like 'Discussion' and 'Talk' imply conversation in their title, we have chat pages for those who may want to have an actual (albeit online) conversation.Tocneppil 23:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I assume you mean the IRC. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 03:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Yes, but I wanted to make sure that the person who left the above comment knew the proper place for 'chatting' as opposed to here on this 'talk' page (although if he'd posted a link to the subject he was referring to, maybe his statement would have had more relevance). I wasn't sure if that person was new or what, and didn't want to muddle the issue further with a term he/she might not have been familier with -and 'chat' is right over there in the navigation box, so it probably influenced my thinking at the time.Tocneppil 08:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

One of the First?

Should we mention that he could very well be one of the first Sith of the Order? I know it seems like a baseless thing, but there's actually some stuff in the sources which imply (at least to me) that he is. On the insider magazine (which was the most detailed source for Nihl), it says he used to be a Warlord in the Unknown Region, who was recruited by Krayt himself to join his "fledgeling" order.

Now, Krayt's order hasn't been "fledgeling" for a long time, so if he wasn't one of the first then it's at least safe to say he's one of the oldest....--Sauron18 03:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, not really, we do have a little more insight into how they were placed into the order. We know there have been 3 Sith generations, the third of which is Talon's. The fact that there's 3 generations of Sith also means they marry between themeselves and breed, at least some of them.
There's also bound to be other Sith who've recently been brought into the Order, but Nihl doesn't seem like a recent addition, and for Krayt to leave Korriban in the last few years before "Broken" to recruit a new Sith doesn't seem to make too much sense.... I dunno, it certainly seems to me like that may be the case, the different sources seem to indicate it.--Sauron18 05:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Image

Would this be a good picture for the article? Telos 02:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC) [[File:Darth_Nihl..jpg|thumb]]

As a complementary picture yes, but not as a main one. --Sauron18 06:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • It seems a little dark, particularly the background.Tocneppil 07:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Agreed. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I can lighten it a little in answer to Tocneppil's question. Telos 21:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Found a larger, hopefully clearer version - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 21:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
        • Yeah, that's good. Thanks Kwenn! Telos 21:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
          • Uh... where are we going to put the image? Telos 21:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
            • Maybe if it replaces the first of the "massacre of Ossus" pics. They're both pretty much the same, and I think the last one looks better, so perhaps replacing the first of the complementary pics with this one would look better. --Sauron18 21:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
              • Agreed. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                • Cool. I'll do it now! Telos 08:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                  • Wait; don't remove any pictures. Just add this one in. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 15:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                    • I'm confused. Sauron, by "the first of the 'massacre of Ossus' pics", which one did you mean? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 15:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
                      • The one with the subtitle "Darth Nihl wielding his unique lightsaber cane on Ossus.". It just seems to similar to the last one, but I really don't care which of those 2 goes (if they have to), though they do look quite similar. Maybe we can just add the pic and leave everything else there. --Sauron18 01:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Nihl, Nihilus... Whats going on?

Why are so many sith who have the same or similar names? There's Darth Nihilus and Darth Nihl ( almost the same ) and there are 3 Darth Wyyrloks. I don't mean to critisize, but what's going on? —Unsigned comment by 70.91.220.98 (talk • contribs)

  • It's like the Pope. If he wants he can make up an entirely new name, or choose a pre-existing one because they like it or out of respect to it's former holder.--Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) Sith Emblem18:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Sith names

Who doesn't like the sith names? they're awesome! someone tell me what's wrong with them. Maxi6 —Unsigned comment by Maxi6 (talk • contribs)

Fighting Stlye

Do you guys know what form Darth Nihl practiced? 76.69.36.198 19:44, August 27, 2010 (UTC) User:DarthKaos

Darth Nihl and Darth Maladi

I know that under the Physical Description of a person, there is a Cybernetics category. Nihl lost his arm, but instead of getting a cybernetic one, Darth Maladi gave him a Yuuzhan Vong bioform arm. Is there a way to mention that under "Physical Description"? Also, does anyone think Nihl and Maladi should get a "Relationships" section on their pages? They were hinting at a LOT in Legacy's Monster arc.WIERDGREENMAN 03:25, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Dark lord of the one sith

I know Legacy War 6 sais that he became the Dark Lord of the one sith and it does not say that on Darth Krayts profile. Nihl is the dark lord of the sith.It's unnecessery to have the dark lord of the one sith unless it's a completely new title.

By Darth bobo 6.

Darth Nihl as Dark Lord of the Sith?

I've read Legacy—War 6 cover to cover, several times, and I have found no evidence, proof or implication that Darth Nihl succeeded Krayt as Dark Lord of the Sith. It may have been implied when he gave an order to Darth Havok, as Havok then called him "my Lord"; but Nihl was a high ranking Sith anyway, and Havok of far lesser rank. The article even says that Nihl "claimed Lordship of the Sith" - when no such thing happened in that particular issue of Legacy, to which it is referenced.

Whilst I agree it makes perfect sense, isn't the implication weak enough to be considered speculation? Or am I missing something, is their a source that explicitly confirms that Nihl assumed Leadership of the One Sith and/or became Dark Lord of the Sith? Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblem-Traced-TORkit 00:32, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

  • "Lordship" seems speculative to me, too. Ditto the "Dark Lord of the Sith" succession box at the bottom. Menkooroo 01:40, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
    • If it's removed then it's going to need some rewording - as are related articles across the board, as quite a few refer to Nihl's ascension to Dark Lord of the Sith. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblem-Traced-TORkit 20:33, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
I'm gonna take the plunge and just remove the content that refers to him as the Dark Lord, I've opened the discussion and my argument supported; even my edits are then reverted it can only provoke more involvement in the issue. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblem-Traced-TORkit 23:48, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
  • I wrote Darth Havok, wherein I referred to Nihl as Krayt's de facto successor. What do you think of that wording? Nothing to indicate an official succession of power, but rather an acknowledgment that Nihl stepped up and started giving orders after his Master's death. Whaddya think? Menkooroo 00:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

When did Darth Nihl use a Wrist Blaster?

According to the Wrist blaster article, Darth Nihl used a wrist blaster. It seems to have appeared in Legacy 1: Broken, Part 1. Can anyone confirm when and under what circumstances he used a wrist blaster?--Richterbelmont10 (come in R2!) 00:27, May 29, 2014 (UTC)