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Bane's Order?

  • Ok, I dunno who placed him there, but Bane's order died out with the deaths of Vader and Sidious. Even Lumiya says so in Betrayal. In tempest she says there are more Sith out there. This casts serious doubts on, and refutes, the theory that Jacen is apart of Bane's Order. I feel this should be removed. DarthMalus 13:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

As a Sith, I would automatically think to put Jacen in Bane's order. But with his training and probably with the way he may continue the order, I don't think he belongs there anymore.SithGirl132 21:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Jacen's Time Walking

  • Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've been reading the legacy of the force books, and Jacen seems to have gained some special abilities in the force that no other jedi of sith seem to be capable of. The one I am particularly interested in is "time Walking". This power essentially allows Jacen to visit events (as a spectator only) in the past or future.My question is, is there another name for this force power besides Time Walking, because I can't seem to find any mention of it on wookieepedia —Unsigned comment by Kel Rae Mora (talk • contribs)
  • You have to remember even though the Rule of Two died at the hands of Darth Vader, its true that the "True" Sith are still out there somewhere. Which is what Darth Revan went out to do 4000 years BBY once he killed Darth Malak he went out in search of the "True" Sith empire. So yes, there are bound to be more Sith out there. As long as the mystery surrounding the "True" Sith is not uncovered till then will the Galaxy & the Jedi have to be on the look-out. —Unsigned comment by Aranadhel (talk • contribs)

Name pronunciation

I was wondering... Is it "Djay-ssen" or "Djaken" or something?... I suppose it's like Jason? Identical or with a slight difference? Can anyone help? Thanks! Klow 17:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Song Reference

There is a song that (to me) represents some of Jacen's actions during the Legacy era, as well as events that take place. The song is Lost In Space by the Steve Miller Band. some of the lines that correspond are:

  • "Wake up, wake up, wake up and look around you..." Luke can't seem to grasp the things that take place. Jacen is obviously taking the dark path.
  • "...And the time is our own..." The people of the galaxy have brought these bad times upon themselves.
  • Did you feel the love that was in the air?" Reference to Jacen and Tenel Ka's marriage.

There is a few more here and there, but they don't blurt out like these. Jedipilot94 23:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

  • The Episode II Love Theme comes to mind... DawnStrike 00:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hero Cycle??

Is this legitimate Wookieepedia material? There are many books, articles and theories on common features shared by mythical heros, but I don't see how it adds anything to this article. Its seems to be wedged in for no reason. I think the material on the hero cycle should be removed. —Unsigned comment by 75.86.230.226 (talk • contribs)

  • Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker have the same kind of hero cycle, and as Jacen is pretty much the main character in EU currently, then I see no problem with having this, especially as his story fits rather well with the hero cycle. Rouge77.
  • Yes, it fits, but it also fits for almost every other hero in star wars. this section doesn't add anything significant to the article. - Tikaheta
  • Jacen seems to fit the pattern of the tragic hero, according to the hero's quest format. Kind of like Anakin Skywalker. A hero has a bright future and then is brought down by inner flaws and fate.SithGirl132 21:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Can anyone give a compelling reason to keep this section? - Trip 03:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Mara

He kills Mara?! No!!! Jacen Solo, you have unleashed the wrath of Luke Skywalker. May the Force have mercy on you. I hope Luke just destroys Jacen. I mean I'd like to see him hit with a Galaxy Gun projectile. Seriousy, I'm sorry, I'm just shocked and furious. The Legacy era is turing into a catastrophic disaster, IMO. I don't know who said it, but I'm starting to think Krayt could be Ben. Man, I just can't believe it. Jacen has sunk so low. I hate 95% of the post-ROTJ EU. Chack Jadson 23:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I liked it better when they were stealing ideas from the prequel trilogy. Now they're taking ideas from the NJO. -- SFH 03:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Where is Mara? Is she safe? Is she alright? It seems that in his anger, Jacen killed her. What!? He... He couldn't! She was alive I felt it! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! —Unsigned comment by 74.242.238.178 (talk • contribs)
  • Thank you for the free spoiler guys... I was hoping to have surprises on Sacrifice but I guess staying away from Jacen's history was not enough, I'll just stay away from the BtS section and the talk page too for the furure books. --Petiflo 10:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
    • it sucks, that chack didn't throw up a spoiler warning... i guess i will have to.Darth Balls 06:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Sorry guys. I feel bad about it. Chack Jadson 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I sopport the idea that ben is darth krayt but think, can it be a solo or... allana —Unsigned comment by 189.149.104.217 (talk • contribs)
    • wtf? that belongs up in the proper section #1 and #2 it could NOT be allana or we have the first transgendered human character in Star Wars history. and Star Wars isn't THAT liberal. Ben freaked out when jacen and tenel ka had a child out of wedlock... —Unsigned comment by Darth Balls (talk • contribs)
  • I saw this before the spoiler warning went up too, but sooner or later my curiosity would have gotten the better of me ;). Don't worry, it was an accident. Hobbes15(Tiger Headquarters) 05:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Holy.....I really have not been following this series at all. Mara was nowhere close to being a favorite character of mine. But I am SO sorry I read this particular spoiler nonetheless Lalala la 01:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm taking care of the HUGEASS spoiler being put in the INTRO to the page... that's rediculous. Piequals3 08:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
    • ...and I reverted it. There was already a huge spoiler tag on the top of the article, and having those spoiler tags in the middle of an intro is equally "rediculous". StarNeptuneTalk to me! 15:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

FA?

  • If Jacen's FA status has been removed, then why does this page still say it's an FA? Should I change it? Hobbes15(Tiger Headquarters) 05:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Move to Darth Caedus?

  • I'm just sayin'. 000 15:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not too sure about that, Darth Vader is instead Anakin Skywalker, his real name, same with Darth Tyranus being count dooku. Darth Odious 01:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
    • No, it should stay under Jacen Solo. Chack Jadson 01:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Well...he's now..."currently" officially called Darth Caedus. I say yes for the move. Thefourdotelipsis 06:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I think Darth Caedus should redirect to Jacen Solo, just as Darth Vader redirects to Anakin Skywalker.SithGirl132 21:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I too think that Darth Caedus should redirect to Jacen Solo as the future is always in motion. We don't yet know what Jacen's ultimate fate will be.Servo 01:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Let's wait until Inferno comes out. If he goes by Darth Caedus then, then we can consider changing the name.RushinSundaws 01:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Darth Vader redirects to Anakin Skywalker because at the end of RotJ he is Anakin once more and Vader no longer. At this time in released source material Jacen is still Jacen, when he is called (in-universe) Darth Caedus we WILL move it and have Jacen Solo redirect to it. If he ever redeems himself we will move it back.Darth Balls 04:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Palpatine was always Darth Sidious. Dooku was always Darth Tyranus. Yet they never went by these names publicly. - Sikon 13:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm against moving it for two reasons: 1) the Inferno DP (as well as all other official OOU sources) still call him Jacen, not Caedus. 2) the Inferno excerpt still had him thinking of himself as Jacen as opposed to Caedus, and the narration still referred to him as Jacen, not Caedus. It seems clear, so far, that the whole 'Caedus' bit was just a big gimmick that, like most other plot developments in LOTF, will be overlooked. Kuralyov 02:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Ditto to Sikon and Kuralyov's comments. Oh and Darth Balls, I really don't think you are in a position to dictate what WILL or WILL NOT happen on Wookieepedia. - JMAS 02:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Well Lucasfilm refered to him not as Jacen Solo, but as Darth Caedus in their reveal of Revelation. —Unsigned comment by DarthMalus (talk • contribs)
  • I'm also against moving it on the same basis of why Dooku, Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine remain the article names, rather than their Darth identity names. They are all most well known by their real name, not their sith name. The same goes for Jacen. - JMAS 02:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
    • So....by this argument, should Revan be documented as Darth Revan, since that seems to be how he was best known as? Lalala la 03:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
  • You only move it to the Darth name if that's the name they go by and everyone calls them that. Dooku went by Dooku and not Tyranus, Palpatine went by Palpatine and not Sidious, Anakin Skywalker was redeemed and stopped being Darth Vader. In Darth Maul's case, he always went by his Sith name so his page is called Darth Maul, Darth Bane went by Darth Bane and not Dessel so his page is Darth Bane. You put whichever name they go by and is called by the most. Unless Jacen starts to refer himself as Darth Caedus and others call him Caedus and not Jacen, that's when we move it.Darth Matas 03:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  • As of Inferno he calls himself that so shouldn't it be Caedus, or this that against the spoiler policy? Moff Disra 02:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hero cycle

Unless LFL or another source confirms all that stuff, isn't it considered OR and supposed to be removed? StarNeptuneTalk to me! 04:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with StarNeptune, plus that thing can be disputed. I think if LFL did create it, it would have been wriiten better for one. but if it was approved by LFL i apolagize.--Darthcaedus 23:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It is very true, but since it is not actually confirmed by Star Wars or LFL canon, it should go on some kind of speculation page. yes, Jacen is the tragic hero, but the only confirmation we would get of that is to go to a reference book, find out what the pattern of the tragic hero is, and use that as a reference. SithGirl132 18:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Nelani Dinn

Nelani is currently listed as one of Jacen's apprentices. Correct me if I'm wrong, since I haven't read Betrayal in a while, but when was she ever his apprentice? —Unsigned comment by Bboyser8 (talk • contribs)

  • I belive it mentioned he tought her 7 years before, which would be while he was still on his 5 year galctic force trip.—Unsigned comment by Oyam5000 (talk • contribs)
    • It is said he taught her some Lightsaber Forms of combat. But it wasn't during his journey, the number of years given in the book is wrong. --Petiflo 13:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
      • There is no evidence that the dating is a continuity error. See Behind the scenes of Nelani Dinn's article for more info. Oyam5000 16:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

New Ability

At the end of sacrifice, Jacen realizes he does have that special ability Dark Lords have to see and know everything, like Lumiya was talking about. Shouldn't we mention that under the appropriate subheading in this article? DawnStrike 20:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Dante ?

I'm not quite sure about this, but if any of you have a copy of Dante's Inferno please check, but wasn't Caedus one of the betrayers in the deepest ring of hell along with Brutus? This makes sense with his character, and remember the '20 Most Memorable Moments of the Expanded Universe'? Jacen Solo Descends into the Rings of Hell was one of them...- --Lardlord 17:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)