Talk: Dark Underlord

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Mandalorians vs. the Dark Underlord

We know that the Mandalorians definitely fought against the Dark Underlord, but no statement about their role indicates they actually played a role in his defeat - "Many other Mandalorian Mercs, however, carried on this ruthless agenda for millennia as evidenced by the villainous Ung Kusp as well as Mandalorian shock trooper participation in the seemingly endless New Sith Wars, lasting from 2000-1000 years ago" (Star Wars Insider 80 p. 27) and "Mandalorian Mercs astride Lagartoz War Dragons and Mandalorian Battle Harnesses ambush the Dark Underlord's camp during the New Sith Wars" (p. 26) are the only two quotes related to the Mandalorians' role in this conflict. Though it's entirely possible they were involved in his defeat, we have no proof of that yet. jSarek 05:04, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

• Actually in "Vader the ultimate guide" it states that the dark underlord is betrayed by his fellow sith! —Unsigned comment by 198.49.31.3 (talk • contribs)
  • Which is why this article shows all three aspects of his defeat (ie, opposed by Mandalorians, but defeated by Murtaggh AFTER being betrayed by his Sith underlings. ) QuentinGeorge 06:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
    • i'm confused if he is a sith shouldn't his name be darth underlord User:Darth malak
      • Not all Sith bear the name Darth - in fact, in this time period, only Darth Ruin, Darth Rivan and Darth Bane are recorded as having it - that's three in 2,000 years. QuentinGeorge 06:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Realm of Chaos

• So, this Realm of Chaos, is it like Sith hell or something? Has anyone ever heard of it aside from the new article? The only instance I get is from what Sidious said happened to a Sith after death, so pretty much like a Sith hell. Or is it like the "Netherworld of the Force" but for Dark Siders? --Sauron18 02:52 23 June 2006 (CDT)
  • I'd assume so. It was probably included to highlight the fact that Sith do not enjoy eternal life upon death, but reside in Chaos. Also note in the article, "realm" isn't capitalized, so the name appears to be simply "Chaos" - just as we have "Hell" - Kwenn 13:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I think it's good for there to be one or two truly mysterious Dark Lords, to project the kind of mystique the Sith of the era lacked. 72.228.255.171 05:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Rivan

Abel's recent article clarified Rivan is before BeliaJustinGann 13:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Date of Death

Currently unknown. Not identified as being c. 1,500 BBY in any canon source. That was fanon conjecture. Randy Starkiller 20:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, it's stated in History of the Mandalorians, I believe. QuentinGeorge 07:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Judging from the top, perhaps not. Date changed to 1,750 BBY. QuentinGeorge 07:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
    • According to Abel, he came to power around 1,250 BBY; so it can be neither of those --Sauron18 20:10 29 June 2006 (CDT)
      • Actually I think Abel made a misstake in that post, since he gave the same date for the DU and Belia Darzu, who didn't live at the same time. The DU is said in Evil Never Dies to have been the dark lord somewhere in the first quarter of the New Sith Wars, ie. ~1.750 BBY. Charlii 06:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Canonical Name

The Article has a tag that mentiones the article's name is not canonical, but I don't think this applies anymore does it? We've seen him called "Dark Underlord" in sources. --Sauron18 05:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• While he is officialy called the Dark Underlord, it obviously wasn't his birth name--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 19:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • True, but then so is the case for a lot of Sith. My point was that the article had a tag which said the name was not canonical, which it was. It was a nickname in the GFFA, not here, hence why I removed the tag ;)--Sauron18 19:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Species

Does it ever give a hint as to his species? It could just be me, but from the pictures he looks a lot like he could be Kaleesh.Darth Ceratis 01:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• I think it's only due to artistic style.--Darth Oblivion^Comlink 01:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Who said he even had a species? This character leaves a lot of undeveloped information (and potential) so at this point almost anything is possible. I personally hope someone writes him his own book(s), because right now nobody knows that much confirmed information about him —Unsigned comment by 74.89.191.112 (talk • contribs)

Dark or Darth?

What is he actually? There has never been a Dark Lord of the Sith by the name of Dark...something, it has always been Darth...something. So whats the deal? —Unsigned comment by DarthLego66 (talk • contribs)

• It's "Dark." Before Darth Bane, there were a great many Sith Lords who didn't take a "Darth" name (Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma, Belia Darzu, Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd, and Kaan all being examples). The Dark Underlord is the only one I know of who has "Dark" as part of his title, but as a Sith spirit instead of a flesh-and-blood being, it's expected he might be a little different from the norm. jSarek 21:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)