The Plan
I'm aware that the purpose of the Contingency was to essentially ensure that the Empire would be brought down with the Emperor. However, did the Emperor want the Empire entirely destroyed? I'm still getting through Empire's End, but I've been under the impression that he still wanted it to be rebuilt, restructured and perfected in the Unknown Regions. Was this the case, or was this the works of officers like Gallius Rax? The article currently seems to imply the latter. Reddyredcp (talk) 23:50, February 27, 2017 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, the idea of building a new Empire in the Unknown Regions was Rax's idea, whereas Sidious is quite adamant that the Empire is not to survive him. Empire's End Chapter 38 describes him as a "vengeful Emperor who never wanted his Empire in the hands of a successor." Rax still carried out the Contingency, but not to the extent that Sidious intended. JRT2010 (talk) 04:44, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
I believe this has now been amended by The Last Jedi Expanded Edition. The chapter which deals with Snoke's inner thoughts clearly states that the Contingency was really meant to be two-fold. Palpatine sent resources, shipyards and other stuff to the Unknown Regions because the Contingency was meant to simultaneously destroy the Empire and ensure its rebirth. --Kingsman28 (talk) 18:07, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
- Can you quote that passage? That way we can all take a look! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:08, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
- 'Palpatine had engineered the Contingency to simultaneously destroy his Empire and ensure its rebirth, ruthlessly winnowing its ranks and rebuilding them with who and what survived. The rebuilding was to take place in the Unknown Regions, secretly explored by Imperial scouts and seeded with shipyards, laboratories, and storehouses—an enormously expensive effort that had taken decades, and been kept hidden from all but the elect.' --Lewisr (talk) 18:15, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
- What do you guys think, then? Did Rax know about the 'rebirth of the Empire' part of the Contingency plan and was just taking credit for setting up a new Empire, or was he woefully ignorant and just following up on hints left by Palpatine about resources in the Unknown Regions?--Kingsman28 (talk) 05:48, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
- Don't really know and can't say one way or another. The flashback in Empire's End made it sound as though Palpatine wanted the Empire, if not the entire galaxy, completely dead to ensure it didn't outlive him, not even be reborn either. Then again, the Aftermath books were a very poorly written series of books (with Chuck Wendig clearly not understanding the concept of constructive criticism based on his various explosions on Twitter), so I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the result of very bad writing on Wendig's part (Palpatine, for all of his being a very evil person, never came across as being the type to act like, say, Chief Brian Irons from Resident Evil 2 or Kuja from Final Fantasy IX when confronted with the idea of dying. Heck, in ROTJ and ROTS, he both times tried to goad people into committing murder against him specifically to turn them to the Dark Side, not to mention in the latter film, he if anything expressed excitement at the idea of Vader potentially surpassing him in the very near future, which knowing what that would result in via Rule of Two, essentially means Palpatine was excited at the idea that Vader's going to off him. In other words, Palpatine would NEVER have been the type to just throw away the Empire if not the entire galaxy to the dustbin of history out of spite that he died just going by the films, let alone the Expanded Universe materials in Legends or Canon.). Well, the Expanded Edition's take on the contingency at least comes a BIT closer to how Palpatine actually would act (he did after all do something similar when creating the Dark Empire in Legends, and besides, Palpatine created the Telos Holocron to ensure that he can still at least influence others to embracing his ideology and thus have his view of the Empire live on post-humously even if he failed to achieve his goals in life) rather than the outright character assassination that was utilized on Palpatine in the Aftermath trilogy and to a certain degree DICE's Battlefront II that made him look OOC even regarding his evil incarnate nature (and believe me, I can name plenty of evil incarnate characters, some who also were obsessed with being the sole rulers and micromanaging everything to a far greater degree than Palpatine [and trying to stave off death as well] who DIDN'T pull the Chief Irons/Kuja route of trying to wipe their own creation off a map in a final act of spite due dying. Like Lord Voldemort, for example [and he feared death enough that he literally named his nom de guerre after said fear], or Maleficent, or Colonel Volgin, or Emperor Geldoblame [in particular his EWLO incarnation, who was practically Stalin in terms of overall characterization.], or Quaesor Verus, heck, the Joker even.), which makes the Contingency a bit more palatable (even if it was still a very poorly-written plotpoint overall that if anything makes the Empire look exceedingly cartoonish). That's certainly one positive for the Expanded Edition of The Last Jedi. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 09:02, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
- Haha, that's quite an opinion. Arguably, it was Greg Rucka who started this entire Contingency thing through the Shattered Empire series and it was just expounded on afterwards by both Wendig and the team for Battlefront II. I just wish Wendig had clarified it a bit more. I was really posing this question because I was hoping for a somewhat rough answer, especially from the admins, since further references to Rax, the Contingency and the origin of the First Order will now somewhat hinge on what he actually knew and what he didn't. I'll try asking Jason Fry, I guess. --Kingsman28 (talk) 12:30, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
- Don't really know and can't say one way or another. The flashback in Empire's End made it sound as though Palpatine wanted the Empire, if not the entire galaxy, completely dead to ensure it didn't outlive him, not even be reborn either. Then again, the Aftermath books were a very poorly written series of books (with Chuck Wendig clearly not understanding the concept of constructive criticism based on his various explosions on Twitter), so I wouldn't be surprised if that was just the result of very bad writing on Wendig's part (Palpatine, for all of his being a very evil person, never came across as being the type to act like, say, Chief Brian Irons from Resident Evil 2 or Kuja from Final Fantasy IX when confronted with the idea of dying. Heck, in ROTJ and ROTS, he both times tried to goad people into committing murder against him specifically to turn them to the Dark Side, not to mention in the latter film, he if anything expressed excitement at the idea of Vader potentially surpassing him in the very near future, which knowing what that would result in via Rule of Two, essentially means Palpatine was excited at the idea that Vader's going to off him. In other words, Palpatine would NEVER have been the type to just throw away the Empire if not the entire galaxy to the dustbin of history out of spite that he died just going by the films, let alone the Expanded Universe materials in Legends or Canon.). Well, the Expanded Edition's take on the contingency at least comes a BIT closer to how Palpatine actually would act (he did after all do something similar when creating the Dark Empire in Legends, and besides, Palpatine created the Telos Holocron to ensure that he can still at least influence others to embracing his ideology and thus have his view of the Empire live on post-humously even if he failed to achieve his goals in life) rather than the outright character assassination that was utilized on Palpatine in the Aftermath trilogy and to a certain degree DICE's Battlefront II that made him look OOC even regarding his evil incarnate nature (and believe me, I can name plenty of evil incarnate characters, some who also were obsessed with being the sole rulers and micromanaging everything to a far greater degree than Palpatine [and trying to stave off death as well] who DIDN'T pull the Chief Irons/Kuja route of trying to wipe their own creation off a map in a final act of spite due dying. Like Lord Voldemort, for example [and he feared death enough that he literally named his nom de guerre after said fear], or Maleficent, or Colonel Volgin, or Emperor Geldoblame [in particular his EWLO incarnation, who was practically Stalin in terms of overall characterization.], or Quaesor Verus, heck, the Joker even.), which makes the Contingency a bit more palatable (even if it was still a very poorly-written plotpoint overall that if anything makes the Empire look exceedingly cartoonish). That's certainly one positive for the Expanded Edition of The Last Jedi. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 09:02, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
- What do you guys think, then? Did Rax know about the 'rebirth of the Empire' part of the Contingency plan and was just taking credit for setting up a new Empire, or was he woefully ignorant and just following up on hints left by Palpatine about resources in the Unknown Regions?--Kingsman28 (talk) 05:48, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
- 'Palpatine had engineered the Contingency to simultaneously destroy his Empire and ensure its rebirth, ruthlessly winnowing its ranks and rebuilding them with who and what survived. The rebuilding was to take place in the Unknown Regions, secretly explored by Imperial scouts and seeded with shipyards, laboratories, and storehouses—an enormously expensive effort that had taken decades, and been kept hidden from all but the elect.' --Lewisr (talk) 18:15, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
Image
What image do we want to use as the main image for the article? any suggestions?Jkirk8907 (talk) 04:20, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
- Ideally a picture that we haven't already used, its nice to change things up, though I have no preferences --Lewisr (talk) 04:29, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
- Ultimately the Contingency was about the end of the Empire, so I think this image is really fitting. I've added it to the article so we can have something and get rid of the imageless tag, though if anyone has any alternatives (not that there are many options) we can use whatever people feel is better. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:39, November 16, 2017 (UTC)
Palpatine's Survival
If Palpatine is alive in The Rise of Skywalker, what was the point of executing the Contingency? The idea is that if he died, the Empire and the rest of the galaxy would be destroyed with him. He didn't actually die, so why destroy the majority of his own followers, military resources, and infrastructure? 89.187.171.92 00:09, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- It still seems like the Empire was supposed to be seemingly destroyed publicly and then rebuilt secretly (i.e. the First Order/Final Order) in the Unknown Regions, with only the worthy being selected/left alive to retreat and rebuild --Lewisr (talk) 00:20, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
Campaign or project?
Surely this should classed as a project and not a campaign? --kingdomofthegalaxy (talk) 08:37, May 3, 2020 (UTC)