Talk: Battle of Ryloth

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Battle date

The Star Wars: Galactic Atlas contradicts itself on the battle date:

on one page it says 21 BBY: LAAT/I gunships and Accumlator assault ships fly towards Nabat as Republic troops begin their campaign to liberate the planet.
on the next page it says 22 BBY: Separatist general Wat Tambor surrenders to Republic forces led by Mace Windu as the planet is liberated.

What is used as the date? --Lewisr (talk) 02:10, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Outcome

Since the Separatists took over the planet after wiping out Ima Gun Di's troops in Supply Lines, and have occupied it before the Republic liberated it in Liberty on Ryloth, shouldn't it technically be counted as "Temporary CIS victory, followed by Galactic Republic/Twi'lek Resistance victory"? —Unsigned comment by 2601:246:C500:3385:8D5B:56FF:EA28:82B4 (talk • contribs)

No because its supposed to be the outcome of the entire battle, not just one part of it --Lewisr (talk) 20:35, February 2, 2018 (UTC)
- The user does have a sort of point, in that this page covers the "Battle of Ryloth" as the entire campaign on the planet, that being Separatist invasion of, occupation of, and the Republic's recapture of the planet, when in reality that is a lot.
- Heck, this page has a prelude section that discusses the Separatist invasion when in reality that should be under the main battle section. Perhaps the user's concerns would better be addressed with a "Separatist Invasion of Ryloth" page, concerning Ima-Gun Di's struggles initially, then a "Republic Invasion of Ryloth" page, which realistically could have sub-articles concerning the "Battle of Lessu", "Space Battle above Ryloth", and "Liberation of Nabat".
- The "Battle of Ryloth" page would remain in its current form as a campaign/battle page, looking like the "War on Shu-Torun" page, if it were complete, or how like Wikipedia's "Battle of France" article is a summary of the whole campaign while specific pages go over specific battles. It's just an idea though. - InGen Nate Kenny (talk) 01:48, February 3, 2018 (UTC)
- I feel like temporary outcomes should be listed on the battle page, not just the final outcome. Since the CIS took over Ryloth after wiping out the Outer Rim garrison, it should be counted as a TEMPORARY CIS victory, which was followed later by a Republic victory.

Separate articles?

Considering the time between when Ryloth fell to the Separatists and when its liberation, wouldn't it be an idea to split the article between say The Fall of Ryloth (Clone Wars) and the Battle of Ryloth (Clone Wars) aka The Liberation of Ryloth (Clone Wars) as it appears that Ima-Gun Di's battle and the Mace/Obi-Wan/Anakin/Ahsoka battle are meant to be separate battles?--Shannon, Jedi Knight (talk) 22:34, June 11, 2018 (UTC)
- Its meant to be one long campaign, starting from the Separatists invading to the Republic and Twi'lek resistance liberating Ryloth, for some reason this page has put Master Di's part in the prelude which makes no sense as it should be in the main battle part like it is on the legends page --Lewisr (talk) 22:40, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Article splitting

Since this event is drawn out over a long period of time, with four main episodes and dozens of sources, I suggest having this page to summarise the whole event while detailing the four main engagements (Separatist takeover of the planet, breaking the blockade, battle at Nabat, battle near and at Lessu) in their own articles as well. Thanks. Loqiical (talk) 21:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense. SilverSunbird (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's not the correct move to make since no source has ever described the invasion, blockade battle, Nabat battle and Lessu battle are their own separate engagements. It's all just the Battle of Ryloth. No more, no less. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 22:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
  - Not coming out for or against this, just noting that Battle of Lessu getting its own name could be seen as a counter to Erebus's point. by the way, if this idea were to go through, this page would not be a disambiguation page, but something like Malevolence Campaign Editoronthewiki (talk) 22:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
    - Also worth noting that, in legends, part of the Second Battle of Geonosis was known as the Battle of Point Rain, but we do not see a need to make that a campaign page. Again, not coming out for or against this idea, just noting more contextEditoronthewiki (talk) 22:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
      - Ok, yes, Battle of Lessu exists as a name because of Rebels, but I still don't think it warrants another page and is just another name for the Battle of Ryloth itself. Erebus Chronus ^(Talk) 22:33, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
        Well, the conflict is also known as the Ryloth campaign, and with the Battle of Lessu also being established, I think there's logic to treating this like the Malevolence Campaign and the Mygeeto Campaign. Still, I wouldn't really be in agreement with doing as such, seeing as how it would be very conjectural to add "Invasion of Ryloth," "Battle above Ryloth," "Battle in Nabat," "Battle of Lessu" pages unless there's a source that states these are battles in the larger overall Battle of Ryloth/Ryloth campaign (except Lessu) --Vitus Infinitus^Talk 23:16, 10 December 2021 (UTC)