I found the article title misleading. --ChristheGreat 01:35, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Ugh...Kuralyov 01:36, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Bad Tactics
I really should preface this diatribe with "In the real world...", as I realize all one has to say here is "Well, the source material says its a brilliant manuever and that makes it canon." Still, this is possibly the worst idea in naval combat, ever, in 2 dimensions or 3. I wish the diagram from the RPG was here to show how illogical the reasoning given for this "maneuver" is. Suffice to say the wikipedia article on [Crossing the T] explains pretty much what would really happen if Ackbar ran a line of capships perdendicular to an enemy flotilla. Dangerdan97 13:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, you are quite wrong. Such tactics have been used sucessfully in the real world. Note that during the battle of Trafalgar that Admiral Nelson put his warships into two long columns. Each then struck straight at the combined French/Spanish fleet. Note that in terms of position the Franco-Spanish armada was caping the "T" on Nelson. However, the tactic worked spectacularly, and Nelson's armada won the day. So The Ackbar Slash was based on a real world tactic. For more information, I suggest you go to this link: http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0510/feature3/map.html AdmiralNick22 13:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- In your opinion, do Mon Cal cruisers have more in common with wooden sailing ships or 20th century battleships? Did you even go to the article? it specifically says "...It became possible in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries with the advent of steam-powered battleships with rotating gun turrets, which were able to move faster and turn quicker than sailing ships." Dangerdan97 13:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yet this is not the real world. My only point was to illustrate the fact that the Ackbar Slash was based on a real world tactic. Some EU author obviously was fond of Traflagar and wanted to give the Star Wars galaxy the equilivent of the tactics used in the famous sea battle. Trying to compare a fictional galaxie's tactics to our own real world naval warfare is difficult at best. Hence why it is more fun (at least from my prospective) to see where EU authors get the basis for their ideas. Who cares if they appear outdated- at least it shows creativity. AdmiralNick22 14:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- And hence my introductory sentence. Dangerdan97 13:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Interestingly enough, the old WEG Rebel Alliance Sourcebook has a great section showing tactics used in capital ship combat. Besides the Ackbar Slash, it has caping the T, a basic line formation called "The Exchange", a rather simple and downright comical one called "The Fake", and one called "The Brawl", which is similar to what is seen at Endor- nor line formations, just a scattering of one and two ship engagements, with little support for one another. AdmiralNick22 13:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, THAT'S the one I was referring to. I am familiar with it, it actually has a diagram for a Crossing the T maneuver labeled as the Ackbar Slash, which is the origin for my entire issue. Dangerdan97 18:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, the Ackbar Slash seems to only be used when a opposing fleet is capping you in a "T", yet the enemy line is only presenting their bows, not their broadsides. If the cap of the "T" has the enemy facing their broadsides to the oncoming slash, it would probably not end well. AdmiralNick22 19:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, THAT'S the one I was referring to. I am familiar with it, it actually has a diagram for a Crossing the T maneuver labeled as the Ackbar Slash, which is the origin for my entire issue. Dangerdan97 18:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Interestingly enough, the old WEG Rebel Alliance Sourcebook has a great section showing tactics used in capital ship combat. Besides the Ackbar Slash, it has caping the T, a basic line formation called "The Exchange", a rather simple and downright comical one called "The Fake", and one called "The Brawl", which is similar to what is seen at Endor- nor line formations, just a scattering of one and two ship engagements, with little support for one another. AdmiralNick22 13:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- And hence my introductory sentence. Dangerdan97 13:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yet this is not the real world. My only point was to illustrate the fact that the Ackbar Slash was based on a real world tactic. Some EU author obviously was fond of Traflagar and wanted to give the Star Wars galaxy the equilivent of the tactics used in the famous sea battle. Trying to compare a fictional galaxie's tactics to our own real world naval warfare is difficult at best. Hence why it is more fun (at least from my prospective) to see where EU authors get the basis for their ideas. Who cares if they appear outdated- at least it shows creativity. AdmiralNick22 14:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- In your opinion, do Mon Cal cruisers have more in common with wooden sailing ships or 20th century battleships? Did you even go to the article? it specifically says "...It became possible in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries with the advent of steam-powered battleships with rotating gun turrets, which were able to move faster and turn quicker than sailing ships." Dangerdan97 13:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)