Legion Status
- Ryan Kaufman stated in the ARC Troopers thread over at TF.N that the 41st is an elite legion, despite its designation as a corps - Kwenn
- The 41st is indeed a legion. How do you change the title of an article? It should be changed to the 41st Elite Legion. -- AdmThrawn --
- I tried to move it, but it wouldn't let me. It said that I couldn't move it to a page that already existed, which shouldn't happen because "41st Elite Legion" is just a redirect here. You'll have to ask an admin. Kuralyov 21:23, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- The proper name for the unit is the 41st Elite Corps. Not Legion. There are several cited sources to verify this in the article. Unless proper source citation verifying that the unit is a legion, then the article remains 41st Elite Corps. Additionally, the most recent sources are the most accurate, often updating or superseding previously held views and retconning past histories. Although considered a friend of the Wookieepedia, TheForce.net is also not on Wookieepedia's list of reliable sources. Gethralkin 08:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
- Behind the scenes can be added to explain why there are conflicts, such as typos, etc. However, since the most recent information is that it is a corps, with older sources naming it a legion, we have to deduce that it grew independent of the 9th Assault Corps and became its own entity. In order to assuage feelings about what seems to be a touchy subject, I have added that the 41st began as a legion, as per the older, singular, reference in the "Guide to the GAR". However, since it is still officially labeled in other more recent sources as a corps, we can reasonably deduce that the legion became specialized, grew larger, and eventually became independent of the 9th, reaching status as corps itself. It would also make less sense to arrange it the other way around, the corps shrinking into a legion, and then be assigned under the 9th…nah, didn't think so. So, there you have it: was a legion, now a corps. Everyone happy? Good. Gethralkin 17:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not happy. I'd like to see these sources of yours mentioning the 41st as a corps. There's no doubt in my mind that it's supposed to be a legion. Makashi Flourish 17:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- All you need to do is click them. Gethralkin 18:15, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Additionally, the Guide to the GAR does not name the unit as the 41st Elite Legion. It merely states in the article once that it was a legion out of the 9th Assault Corps. However, the cited sources do specifically name the unit as the 41st Elite Corps. Gethralkin 18:17, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- The way I see it, the Databank simply made a typo. Hasbro and the TCG then made a mistake in taking after the Databank. Destroy All Jedi says Legion. Guide to the GAR says it's a legion, no matter how you choose to look at it. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia says Corps, but points out that it's indeed a legion under the 9th Assault Corps. As for Han Solo: The Early Years, I cannot say. Still, the only listed sources that identifies the 41st as a Corps are a toy company and a trading card game. Insider articles, Guide to the GAR, the RC novels, and the SW Encyclopedia all says it's a legion. I think I'll go with the latter. Makashi Flourish 18:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- The problem with that is that the Hasbro and game companies did not necessarily get their approval on the naming convention from the Databank. The Databank is a source that is drawn from when keeping the continuity straight (which doesn't always happen), but the approval for projects and how they are to be treated comes from Lucasfilm and LucasArts. Having been involved somewhat in the promotion of the SW:PMTCG—and involved in part with the establishment of the trademark used for the game—I can tell you that Lucasfilm and LucasArts both give their lists of what they wanted to see in the expansions. Because they have the reins on the license, they are the final say…down to the names used. I have to say that not everyone was happy to have to deal with tauntauns, but that was one of the orders given the company, and it got done. As far as labeling is concerned, sometimes a typo can occur in printing, but that occurs more frequently as a misspelling rather than an actual renaming. As far as how much Mr. Lucas gets involved, it was even more exciting to the design team to see his personal notes on the final audits for production. As a caveat, Mr. Lucas is not necessarily keeping track of all the aspects of the Star Wars franchise (he has admitted that himself, and makes no apologies for changes he made that were contrary to what was previously established in EU material), but as regards the Ground Assault expansion of the WizKids game, the 41st Elite Corps was included in the expansion approved for distribution. I can only assume the same for the Hasbro action figure. As you just mentioned, the The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia is also more recent material (and parrots, by the way, the info given by the Insider Guide to the GAR article), so this discussion has really cinched the article as it stands now. Yes it is a corps because that is what it is now, but began as a legion because it was derived out of the 9th Assault. Gethralkin 05:23, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- I'd readily accept the renaming of the 41st from legion to corps. While it seems unnecessary, canon is canon. However, I will not agree to your theory that the 41st started as a legion and ended up as a corps—this may be true when taken into "out-of-universe" context, but there's nothing to support that's what happened in the "real" Star Wars universe. Also, I will not agree that the 41st was a corps in any sense of the word. As The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia explains, it is a legion named the 41st Elite Corps. So I agree to it being renamed a corps, but it's still a legion. Makashi Flourish 16:51, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- The problem with that is that the Hasbro and game companies did not necessarily get their approval on the naming convention from the Databank. The Databank is a source that is drawn from when keeping the continuity straight (which doesn't always happen), but the approval for projects and how they are to be treated comes from Lucasfilm and LucasArts. Having been involved somewhat in the promotion of the SW:PMTCG—and involved in part with the establishment of the trademark used for the game—I can tell you that Lucasfilm and LucasArts both give their lists of what they wanted to see in the expansions. Because they have the reins on the license, they are the final say…down to the names used. I have to say that not everyone was happy to have to deal with tauntauns, but that was one of the orders given the company, and it got done. As far as labeling is concerned, sometimes a typo can occur in printing, but that occurs more frequently as a misspelling rather than an actual renaming. As far as how much Mr. Lucas gets involved, it was even more exciting to the design team to see his personal notes on the final audits for production. As a caveat, Mr. Lucas is not necessarily keeping track of all the aspects of the Star Wars franchise (he has admitted that himself, and makes no apologies for changes he made that were contrary to what was previously established in EU material), but as regards the Ground Assault expansion of the WizKids game, the 41st Elite Corps was included in the expansion approved for distribution. I can only assume the same for the Hasbro action figure. As you just mentioned, the The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia is also more recent material (and parrots, by the way, the info given by the Insider Guide to the GAR article), so this discussion has really cinched the article as it stands now. Yes it is a corps because that is what it is now, but began as a legion because it was derived out of the 9th Assault. Gethralkin 05:23, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
- All you need to do is click them. Gethralkin 18:15, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not happy. I'd like to see these sources of yours mentioning the 41st as a corps. There's no doubt in my mind that it's supposed to be a legion. Makashi Flourish 17:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Behind the scenes can be added to explain why there are conflicts, such as typos, etc. However, since the most recent information is that it is a corps, with older sources naming it a legion, we have to deduce that it grew independent of the 9th Assault Corps and became its own entity. In order to assuage feelings about what seems to be a touchy subject, I have added that the 41st began as a legion, as per the older, singular, reference in the "Guide to the GAR". However, since it is still officially labeled in other more recent sources as a corps, we can reasonably deduce that the legion became specialized, grew larger, and eventually became independent of the 9th, reaching status as corps itself. It would also make less sense to arrange it the other way around, the corps shrinking into a legion, and then be assigned under the 9th…nah, didn't think so. So, there you have it: was a legion, now a corps. Everyone happy? Good. Gethralkin 17:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
41st at Utapau!
In Ep3 on Utapau I've seen at least three members of the 41st, one is basically a blur but you can see it if you freeze-frame it when Cody picks up his holomitter when Palpatines issues Order 66, the next two can be seen after the camera lowers down to a member of the 2nd Airborne Company telling Cody "No one could survive that fall!" You can see them behind the trooper talking to Cody and are standing next to captured Utapaun soldiers. Can this be put into this article or the Battle of Utapau or 212th Attack Battlion?
- I highly doubt that members of the 41st were at Utapau. If you could get a picture of the supposed 41st clones, it would be very helpful. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:48, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I also doubt that they were at Utapau (I posted the post up there) but maybe it was just a mistake when the Specail Effects dudes at ILM where making the movie........and I'll try to get screenies once I find out how.
- I was thinking the same thing. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:31, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Are they in their camo armour? General Nai
The Admiral is right. I saw one of the 41st in his standard grey armour when the Sith calls Cody. And two others while the para is chatting to Cody. One was watching some Pau'an warriors and the other is chatting to a member of the 212th Battalion. General Nai
- Could you provide an image? Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Took this one of the second group. [1] - Toasty McGrath 00:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- How can you even tell that there are 41st troops in that picture? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Here we go, a larger shot and from the "order 66" scene. First one to the screen right of Cody; much easier to see the gray armor. [2] - Toasty McGrath 01:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Now I see. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 01:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe the 41st being there was intentional. I remember there was a line in battlefront 2 about how Kenobi amassed one of the largest armies ever..or something like that. If members of the 501st were there, why not the 41st? Also, they could be Commander cody's personal body guards 71.33.39.2 00:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh and on the image, the caption says Kashyyk when its actually coruscant 71.33.39.2 00:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Enslaving the Wookiees
I altered the section, It is likely that following the execution of the Order 66, the 41st completed its operations against the remaining droid forces, and then proceeded to initiate the enslavement of the Wookiees., because Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader shows that the Wookiees were not enslaved until four months after the Battle of Kashyyyk. In fact, I think that the book confirms that the Republic forces at Kashyyyk did pull out after destroying the droids. Tam 15:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Too many pics?
It seem a such a small article has too many pictures.--Jack Black 18:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
No it is just fine.
41st Armored Infantry Regiment
Is it possible that the Name of the 41st EC is a reference to the 41st Armored Infantry Regiment of the 2d Armored Division? Because that was (allmost) the only US unit to wear (issued) camo-uniforms(similar to the ones used by the USMC) on the ETO?
- Sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Unsigned comments are irritating to this community. GethralkinHyperwave 06:58, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
Battle of Coruscant
Maybe it should be noted that members of the 41st participated in the Battle of Coruscant, as seen in Episode III shortly after Dooku was killed. --84.139.97.22 16:20, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
- What? In which place is it stated that the 41st participated? 1358 (Talk) 16:24, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
It isn't stated here, but you can see them in the movie --91.46.177.57 20:23, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
- The 41st's standard armor is that of the Coruscant Landing Platform Troopers? How does that make sense? Here's my arguement: the first pic I have posted is from the Battle of Coruscant; the 501st fought at the Battle of Coruscant, because of Palpatine's reserves on Centax. The second and third pics are from the Battle of Utapau, fought by the 212th Attack Battalion and the 2nd Airborne Company. The only time these troopers are seen with the 41st is at Yoda's arrival in an LAAT/i on Coruscant, when they are departing for Kashyyyk. So, is it possible that these guys are actually Third Systems Army troopers? The 501st is apart of it, the 212th is apart of it, and as for the 41st, that's unspecified according to you guys. But the 442nd fought at Kashyyk, which was apart of the Third Systems Army, so wouldn't it only make sense that the 41st were, too? I'd love to get some input, because they're certainly far from being strictly 41st. After all, what's more canon then the movies themselves?
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Unitedstatesdemocrat 02:17, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
Notable members
There are a missing some members of 41st Elite Corps like Green Leader and Unidentified clone captain from //Cloak of Darknes// and clones Draa and Buzz from Second Battle of Geonosis. —Unsigned comment by Ventilator86 (talk • contribs)
Titles for some articles about military units
Why do some articles about military units in the Clone Wars that continue to be in use during the Empire have titles reflective of service only to the Empire? This can be misleading or cause a person to continue searching for the GAR unit. An example is this page. Why does "Stormtrooper" need to be in the title? A couple months or longer ago, I asked about something similar and was told to remove the Empire reference from the title. I believe it was an article about a sector or oversector. It was agreed that the title is misleading. Red Heathen (talk) 23:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Regardless of what was the most recent name. I know that clone troopers' articles are going to have their respective articles' titles changed from their alphanumeric designations to their commonly known names (when applicable) because it would be easier for users to find them on Wook. Would ease of use of Wook be a reason to consider these articles not being era specific? Red Heathen (talk) 23:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)