Forum:TC:Lightsaber cane

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The result of the debate was merge with Lightsaber staff. jSarek 22:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Lightsaber cane (talk - history - links - logs)

Yeah, this is basically a non-article. We're assigning a name to a weird looking lightsaber and then defining its use. Is there any reason this should exist separate from lightsaber staff? Also, I'd like to hear some arguments for why we even need an article on the "lightsaber staff". It's a made-up name, for a lightsaber with a specialized hilt. Especially since no source actually names this type of lightsaber, can anyone come up for a reason as to why both articles shouldn't just be merged with the lightsaber page? Cull Tremayne 07:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I could see either go; I created them as a way to keep either from being merged with lightstaff, a canonical weapon the name of which was used to describe Zao's and Nihl's weapons, as well as the double-bladed lightsaber, in a fanonical way. However, if the double-bladed lightsaber does get its own article, I don't really see the difference in giving these weapons their own article, either. Also, I will note that the conjecture tag was added to both the articles you wish to delete, so saying it has a "made-up name" is no argument whatsoever. Graestan(Talk) 17:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying that assigning conjectural names to something is wrong, only that these names are used to "define its use". That is the problem here. Was this lightsaber designed to be a cane? Do we know that? We know that Zao uses it as a cane, yes, but that's where it ends. Same thing for Nihl. In my personal opinion, these are just lightsabers with lengthened grips. They're not different in the way that a double-bladed lightsaber is. I'm sorry if you're the one that made the articles, but I'm not trying to insult you. Since these don't have canon names, and since we know that each hilt for a lightsaber is (at least supposed to be) custom made, what makes these any different from say "wooden-hilt lightsaber"? And please don't go explaining the fighting technique of this lightsaber to me. :P Cull Tremayne 04:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Believe me, I didn't come up with the names; they already existed as redirects to lightstaff. This was merely an effort to prevent the canonical item (which falls under WP:TOTJ) from being shoved into the background in order to showcase two lightsabers that are clearly not lightstaffs. Graestan(Talk) 12:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep

  • 'm putting this here as a vote more to draw attention to it than because I feel strongly about it. Couldn't we just rename it Zao's lightsaber and remove the speculation on its use? Seems to me to be unique and distinctive enough in design that it's only marginally less notable than Anakin Solo's lightsaber. In fact, the only real difference in Anakin's lightsaber in terms of notability is that it had more than one owner. They both have one distinctive trait (Anakin's being the lambent crystal and Zao's being its multifunctionality). Wildyoda 05:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete

Merge to either lightsaber staff or just lightsaber altogether

  1. Cull Tremayne 07:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Merge with lightsaber staff. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 07:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. I guess technically, it's a lightcane, which sounds just as stupid as the concept itself. Nonetheless, it should be documented, so I guess a merger would be the best choice. KEJ 09:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  4. Thefourdotelipsis 09:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. To lightsabre. Unit 8311 13:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. Either one works for me. - Lord Hydronium 08:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  7. Either article NighthawkLeader 09:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  8. It's a lightsaber...on a stick. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 09:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  9. Merge with Lighsaber staff. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 17:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  10. Merge with lightsaber staff. Graestan(Talk) 17:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  11. Merge with Lightsaber staff.--Goodwood Redstarbird (Alliance Intelligence) 04:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  12. If a lightstaff has a "laser blade" to it (I don't have the comics it appears in, so I don't know), wouldn't that be a better place for it? —Silly Dan (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
    • A "lightstaff" has no lightsaber blade, as the "lightsaber staff" does. It's simply a staff imbued with the Force. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 21:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  13. Maybe Yoda wields a lightsaber cane... -- Riffsyphon1024 05:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  14. I'm going to jump the bandwagon and say: "Merge with Lightsaber staff". --Squishy Vic (discussion) (contributions) 05:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  15. Merge, and hope authors stop coming up with ridiculous light-weapons. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 21:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)