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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or, if the page was deleted, in the Senate Hall rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Keep. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 19:34, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Han shot first (talk - history - links - logs)

I've been reflecting in the aftermath of the "Fan criticism of George Lucas" TC discussion, and I realize this page is unnecessary as well. It is trivia at best and original research at worst. The best option would be to delete and export to Fanpedia. I feel this page is different from other references because it focuses on a very specific topic fandom topic. Feel free to add another voting option.

Delete and export to Fanpedia

  1. As nominator. Corellian PremierRobotechAll along the watchtower 20:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. While I like the article, I'm inclined to agree with its deletion. It serves no real purpose here. Korsa3 20:11, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. OLIOSTER (talk) 20:59, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. This article is a relic from Wookieepedia's past history. While the arguments given below are persuasive, if someone created an article similar to this today, it would be deleted on sight. Therefore, in my view it is inappropriate to keep such an article. --Jinzler 12:50, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  5. GTQ 13:58, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  6. It would fit better at the Fanpedia. Trak Nar Ramble on 21:09, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  7. No sources, no references etc…—TK-999 Era-imp(Rise of the Empire) 14:55, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Keep

  1. I must disagree. The "Han Shot First" phenomenon is one of the largest inside-jokes in the Star Wars universe. It has been referenced in movies, TV shows, books, and video games. It has its own website and T-shirt. I believe it meets the notibility requirement. Kilson 20:16, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Strong Keep. Going through the criteria laid out in WP:NFP, the content requirement clearly doesn't apply since this is not a project or website, so that leaves the recognition requirements, of which it must meet one to be considered notable. As Kilson pointed out, this phenomenon has been referenced all over the place, and just about any Star Wars fan will immediately know what you're talking about when you say "Han shot first", so I would say that that qualifies as the "widespread recognition" required by the "fan recognition" requirement. Also, a Google News search for "Han shot first" turned up two mainstream media references on the first page, namely this article on TIME.com and this movie review in an Indiana newspaper. I didn't look past the first page of search results, but if I can find two references to the phenomenon from this month in fifteen seconds, there's probably thousands more floating around out there in the media from the past fourteen years, so there's your "mainstream recognition" requirement met. Finally, I would say that the image on the page of George Lucas himself wearing a "Han Shot First" shirt by itself qualifies as "official recognition". In short, it needs to meet one of the three recognition requirements on WP:NFP, and IMO it meets all three. Master Jonathan (Council Chambers) Saturday, March 26, 2011, 21:27 UTC
  3. Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 21:30, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Keep as per-above. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblem-Traced-TORkit 23:01, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Per above. --Doctor Kermit(Complain.) 00:42, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Somebody make this a featured article. Tinwe(comlink) 12:17, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  7. No-brainer. Menkooroo 12:42, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  8. I'm inclined to say "keep" for two reasons: one, we have articles on famous sayings, and two, this is a major enough debate/joke that I feel it's necessary. MasterFredCommerce Guild(Whatever) 12:53, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  9. DD97Which bear is best? 23:24, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  10. It meets WP:NFP. - JMAS Jolly Trooper Hey, it's me! 23:27, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Clever quote pimp, Jon. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 07:27, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  12. But Han did shoot first! 1358 (Talk) 09:28, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  13. It's been noted in-universe, and it's fairly well known to all of us. Also, per above, which seems to be it's own inside joke at this point. Holocron Greatholocron (Complain) 12:35, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  14. As of right now, this meets WP:NFP. Whether or not we should be covering this is a separate debate—one that concerns the requirements in WP:NFP, and whether or not we need to make them stricter. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 15:49, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  15. ToRsO bOy 15:54, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Per Kilson. Lele Mj Green Squadron (Holoprojector) 21:02, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Kreivi Wolter 17:49, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Per those well worded reasons above. -Tm_T (Talk) 06:46, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Snowball. You can't deny Han shot first, nor can this article be denied notability. Should we have to delete everything from Category:Star Wars culture now? -- Riffsyphon1024 07:31, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
  20. ASDF1239Chiss Ascendancy-DISCUSSION- 02:23, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  21. --Drfaustxxx 14:11, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

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