Forum:SH Archive/Rule 13 of the Knowledge Bank

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Isn't that a little harsh? It's not like the person's doing anything wrong... —C Teng^(talk) 04:20, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it's on Template:AhsokaTalk, too. —C Teng^(talk) 04:24, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

• It's harsh only because to ask about Ahsoka when clearly nothing's known about her outside of what's already been released in The Clone Wars TV series and related material is kind of dumb. Nobody knows because most likely, Lucas and the guys in charge haven't even figured out what they're going to do with her yet. And when it's outright stated that nobody here knows, and the rule clearly placed almost everywhere somebody would look, anybody who decides their going to ask anyway is probably just trolling and isn't seriously trying to contribute to Wookieepedia. That's my take, anyway.--Bella'Mia 05:19, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • It's not harsh because we don't know. As Jocasta Nu tells Obi-Wan (and this quote is currently on the main page funnily enough), "if we don't have it, it doesn't exist." A simple look at the article tells you that there is nothing about her death. That's because it has not been revealed. There's nothing we can do about it. And, believe it or not, it gets really annoying when we field the same unanswerable question over and over from a bunch of users. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 00:24, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
• Usually the reason signs are posted, is because someone already had previously done it. This is intended to reduce redundancy and idiocy. -- Riffsyphon1024 12:25, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
• We need it to get rid of people committing a crime like asking about big unanswered questions. We can't have people seeking knowledge in the knowledge bank, now, that's a waste of time...--Golden Monkey 23:47, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
  • Unecessary sarcasm aside, Monkey, maybe you should re-read the above statements by our admins, where they explain the perfectly reasonable motivations of the rule. Asking a question to which the best answer available is already prominently posted at all times is pretty much text book trolling. By most standards, such disruptive behavior is to be discouraged. Dangerdan97 21:49, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
• I understand what the admins are saying, but I'm going to voice my support of the original post. Anybody who's been a part of any sort of internet community before should know that there will always be new people coming in asking questions that are seen as dumb by long-standing members of the community. You may find it annoying, but it's a reality that's not going to go away. Wookieepedia is a community, and veterans of any sort of community should really be patient and helpful with newcomers, even if they are committing the grievous sin of... well, seeking knowledge in the knowledge bank. Blocking someone for asking a dumb question? That doesn't encourage newcomers or promote the sense of a welcoming community. Rather, it gives the impression of an elitist group of hardcore fans who don't want anybody else playing in their Wookieepedia sandbox. Sure, it's second-nature to experienced wikia users to check the talk page, but not to everyone --- don't make the mistake of thinking that anyone who stumbles upon this site will know as much about its inner workings and fine print as you do. There may even be casual fans who don't necessarily know that Ahsoka is a relatively new character, and may think that her fate was written pre-Revenge of the Sith. Sure, there are easy ways to discover that information, but if someone ends up missing all of those easy ways and asks it in the knowledge bank, is it really the end of the world to take thirty seconds to point them in the right direction, even if you've done it ten times before? Everybody had help from veterans when they started out at Wookieepedia. I still get help from veterans often. To me, blocking someone for asking about Ahsoka's fate seems akin to blocking people for making spelling errors --- you probably spend a lot of time fixing spelling errors, so should you block people for making those because fixing them is annoying? No, because the thing is: Everybody makes mistakes. Menkooroo 09:33, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
  • We understand that there are those who are newcomers who are genuinely here to help and not be disruptive. However, we cannot tell the difference between those people and others who would be here to cause mischief. In my view, the rule actually does several things. First of all, it answers the question. Done. Yay. If you came here looking for the answer, we've just given it to you. You don't even need to create a post. Second, it discourages the trolls and the mischievous. Third, it makes sure that you read the rules (in that sense, I see it as being a rule like this). Now, the rule does not say that the user will be indefinitely blocked, and I hope that the admins take the innocent, unwitting newcomers into account when they apply the block. But in the end, the punishment is meant more to discourage the crime than to "be mean about it." - Esjs^(Talk) 15:48, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • As long as admins do try to take into account unwitting newcomers (in general, not just for this rule). Hopefully they wouldn't automatically assume that one was a troll, because that would be a case of guilty until proven innocent. Also, that Van Halen thing is awesome. Menkooroo 17:12, February 10, 2010 (UTC)