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I have been adding † to battle infoboxes of both Canon and Legends, and very recently, while I was working to add the daggers, I got a message that said that these daggers were reserved for individual casualties, not vehicles. For example, if there were Armored Assault Tanks included in the infobox and it said all of them were destroyed, would I add † next to the tanks in the strengths section? 
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- There appears to be some kind of inconsistency on this point, featured articles such as Battle of the Rishi moon/Legends, Battle of Saleucami/Legends do a dagger next to vehicles, but Battle of Kolatill and Battle of Malastare Narrows/Legends don't. I know that some non-status canon pages also do, so would be nice to know for sure so pages can be corrected --Lewisr (talk) 22:55, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
I am loath to defer to Wikipedia on anything, but in the absence of our own policy on this I think they provide a good explanation of the proper modern usage. The "death dagger" indicates death, as in the deaths of individuals, not the destruction of assets. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 00:15, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
- Would this also extend to organizations that are eradicated during a battle? Battle of Jakku, for instance, uses the dagger for the Jakku Imperial remnant. The Wikipedia description seems to suggest this, with the use of "extinction" and "obsolescence." RattsT (talk) 00:33, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
- While I would suggest this would only apply to individuals, I could see it applying to unique vehicles, but definitely not to generic vehicles. <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 00:44, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
- Per Culator. It always made sense to me that the dagger was meant to represent the death of a prominent individual who participated in the battle. It made for a quick visual indicator for seeing which side was worse for wear in terms of commanding staff casualties. Placing it after every single destroyed asset just creates unneccessary visual clutter and defeats the purpose of the "casualties" field. QuiGonJinn
(Talk) 06:23, June 9, 2020 (UTC) - I agree with Omicron. For the Battle of Endor article, both the Executor and the second Death Star, even the Devastator, Vehement, Pride of Tarlandia, Harbinger, Liberty, and Nautilian have daggers next to their names to indicate that they were destroyed, despite the fact that they're included in the casualties. And as stated in Wikipedia, it is often placed next to the name of a commander/individual who is killed in action, but is also used indicate extinction, another word for destruction, so I think it's fine to place them next to vehicles, but perhaps just named vehicles/starships like the Executor.
Erebus Chronus Open frequency- Whatever the consenus is, I think it would be best to codify the usage of this symbol as an official policy. More specifically, as an addendum to Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Infobox. This would require a Consensus Track vote, where all potential options can be presented. QuiGonJinn
(Talk) 12:38, June 10, 2020 (UTC)
- Whatever the consenus is, I think it would be best to codify the usage of this symbol as an official policy. More specifically, as an addendum to Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Infobox. This would require a Consensus Track vote, where all potential options can be presented. QuiGonJinn
- Here's a solution to this matter: while the death dagger is primarily meant for the individuals and droids that perished in battle, the symbol can also be used for vehicles (preferably named vehicles) that were destroyed if there were no known individuals or droids were killed, this wouldn't include unnamed people like clone troopers, stormtroopers, rebels, and/or battle droids.
