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Our Polish counterpart, Biblioteka Ossus has been down for at least a couple of months now. About a month ago, MJ removed them from the {{interlang}} template. Earlier, as I was going through the CSD category, Ossus was listed due to being unverified for over seven days. However, I've always considered our interlanguage sister wikis to be sort of an "exempt" of our notability policies, and this is a practice I agree with. Considering the recent and ongoing outage, however, I think we need to reconsider Ossus' status as our official Polish language counterpart. There's a Wikia version of Wookieepedia, Empirepedia, which seems to be rather abandoned, though. I can't find any way to contact the Ossus admins for a status update on the site, and navigating to their URL gives a 401 error.
As a side note, I've temporarily removed the {{delete}} tag from Ossus' article, replacing it with a {{holdon}}.
As I see it, we have two options:
- Replace Ossus links with pl.starwars.wikia.com links
- Wait for Ossus to eventually come back online
As for the issue of articles on interlanguage counterparts, we either need to exempt them from our NFP policy, decide what constitutes sufficient notability for an interlanguage wiki, or TC them like we would do to "normal" articles not meeting NFP.
Thoughts and comments are welcome below. 1358 (Talk) 14:28, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
Discussion
- As the one who placed the Notability tag on the Biblioteka Ossus article, I will point out that nothing in Wookieepedia:Notability of fan projects gives any kind of exemption to interlanguage wikis. I don't see any indication in the Biblioteka Ossus article that it even comes close to approaching notability, and with all due respect, ecks, there's no grounds here to contest its speedy deletion right now, for which it is now explicitly eligible per the policy found at WP:NFP. I'm happy to discuss the matter of dead interwiki links and whether we want to grant an exemption to interlanguage articles, but neither precludes this article's deletion nor does anything require us to TC it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:46, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed, and I won't object to reapplying the tag or deleting the article, but considering our treatment of these articles seems to have been "just leave them be", I thought I'd start this forum to clarify what our view on them is. Personally I have no objection to exempting them in NFP and keeping the articles (considering we do recognize them — we aren't forced to keep them in the interwiki template), but as you said, this would indeed require a provision in NFP. I'm willing to start a CT regarding this, but I wanted to get some views on the issue before proceeding to that. Either way, in the meantime, feel free to go ahead and delete the article. 1358 (Talk) 14:09, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
- Do we know anyone at that site who knows what's going on? I ask here because I obviously don't, but I'm worried about them, since I object on principle to recognizing any Wikia wiki when there's the slightest hope of linking a non-Wikia alternative. IIRC, Ossus was the REASON we invented the Interlang template system, since the intransigent jerks at Wikia wouldn't change our Interwiki map (but they respect their communities!), but if they're down for the count, we don't really have any choice. We can't go forever without Polish links. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 15:13, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
- I have deleted the article, on the basis that as Tope says, we have no exemption for our sister wikis, and indeed quite some time ago (shortly after the last overhaul of the notability policy) I tagged a large number of Star Wars wikis with {{Notability}}, and all were eventually deleted without argument. In response to Culator, the French and German wikis were the reason for the Interlang template; the standard pl: prefix actually does go directly to Biblioteka Ossus, not to the Wikia wiki (and I believe HotCat uses a chain of interlanguage prefixes starting with pl to link to the French and German wikis in its edit summaries). I really don't care either way on how to handle the links; I would obviously prefer not to go to the Wikia version, but if that's all we have, then it's all we have.
Master Jonathan 
Council Chambers 05:51 UTC Thu April 17, 2014
- I'm sorry that I answer in this discussion, but I think I really must.I am user of Biblioteka Ossus. I think, that Ossus will come back, even, if today is 102. day after start of update. Ossus will come; everybody knows. Don't change interwikis to Ossus to interwikis to other pl SW-wikis, because they aren't as known as Ossus. Biblioteka Ossus will come back, believe us. see.Darth Plagueis "Mądry" - Hego Damask 17:13, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm one of the Ossus Library admins. Ossus is currently unavailable for readers due to several problems caused by updating MediaWiki version earlier this year. While we have dealt with most difficulties and the site is up and running at the moment, there is still one problematic issue that holds Ossus from being accesible for readers and thus is protected by password verification. As for the article about our wiki on Wookieepedia (which, as it seems, was already deleted), we won't be arguing your policies - if you decide it is irrelevant and does not require separate article, then it is your decision. As for interwiki however, we would suggest keeping them hidden in Interlang template as they are now, instead of replacing them with Empirepedia (pl.starwars.wikia.com) as suggested above. Empirepedia is old, outdated and nearly abandoned site, while Ossus is widely recognized as the main polish encyclopedia with over 10'000 articles at the moment. While we cannot give any specific date for site's availability it will return as soon as the problematic issue is dealt with and it shouldn't last much longer.--Mariobaryla (talk) 17:31, April 19, 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply and explanation of what's going on. Given that, the best course of action is probably what you suggest: keeping the links hidden until Ossus is back up and running. I also appreciate you not being offended at the deletion of the article. :)
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 04:21 UTC Sun April 20, 2014 - Thankfully we solved the problem sooner than we expected and Ossus is finally back. The pl interwiki can be used again so we would like to ask you to activate them in the Interlang template. Thank you for patience and for not removing them entirely. :)--Mariobaryla (talk) 09:24, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
- I have restored the pl interlanguage links to the template. Thank you for letting us know. :D
Master Jonathan Council Chambers 13:56 UTC Thu April 24, 2014
- I have restored the pl interlanguage links to the template. Thank you for letting us know. :D
- Thankfully we solved the problem sooner than we expected and Ossus is finally back. The pl interwiki can be used again so we would like to ask you to activate them in the Interlang template. Thank you for patience and for not removing them entirely. :)--Mariobaryla (talk) 09:24, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply and explanation of what's going on. Given that, the best course of action is probably what you suggest: keeping the links hidden until Ossus is back up and running. I also appreciate you not being offended at the deletion of the article. :)