Forums > Administrators' noticeboard archive > Imperial Starfighter Corps article deleted
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I can't flag it - but the ISF page seems to have no solid sources - a quick check of the Imperial Sourcebook meens that the one quoted source does not support its existance.
- That doesn't mean you put a delete tag on the article. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
00:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't we supposed to not have non-canon/fanon cack on wookie? —User: DemonicBear
- "Cack"? -- SFH 01:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- British Slang -- User: DemonicBear 03:11, 31 July 2007 (GMT)
- No, we shouldn't have non-canon/fanon cack on Wookieepedia. However, unless you're *extremely* sure something IS fanon, you shouldn't use Template:Delete. Typically, Template:Fanon is a better choice, with items you're fairly sure should be deleted using Template:Tc. jSarek 05:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- British Slang -- User: DemonicBear 03:11, 31 July 2007 (GMT)
- Ok, so make the title conjecture and call it a day. --School of Thrawn 101 05:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's not just the title. The very existence of a starfighter-related branch of the military outside of the Imperial Army or Navy is quite likely fanon. jSarek 06:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- A pity. It's a fairly robust article. --School of Thrawn 101 09:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Definetly fanon, to the point I am extremely sure of this, otherwise I wouldn't have put a deletion notice on it -- User:DemonicBear
- No, it's not definitely fanon if you've only checked the Imperial Sourcebook. Besides, you shouldn't have put a delete tag on the article in the first place. What jSarek did is the proper way of going about this. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 14:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- It is however definetly fanon unless anyone else has ever seen it written down somewere that isn't one of the multiple starwars books that imply it to be false, given we have sources putting Naval commanders in charge of Starfighter operations, unless you have any proof of a seperate corps? -- User:DemonicBear
- "It is however definetly fanon..." Prove it. You're basing all of this off the fact that it's not in the Imperial Sourcebook, which alone is not enough to call it fanon. As you're the one claiming the Imperial Starfighter Corps is fanon, it's your job to look for proof that it's fanon. You're making all these claims without anything to back them up. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 18:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- I can't have a source to prove its fanon, otherwise that would be stupid I do however have a source that says that Imperial Pilots are a part of the Navy, and that TIE pilots are an elite corps UNDER the navy, that would be the Imperial Sourcebook - now combine that with the number of canon sources that show that Starfighters as Navy controlled ((TIE Fighter strikes me as the most definative)) and it proves that there is no true source to support the existance of an Independent starfighter corps, whereas there is a source saying that they are not -- User:Demonic Bear
- "It is however definetly fanon..." Prove it. You're basing all of this off the fact that it's not in the Imperial Sourcebook, which alone is not enough to call it fanon. As you're the one claiming the Imperial Starfighter Corps is fanon, it's your job to look for proof that it's fanon. You're making all these claims without anything to back them up. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- It is however definetly fanon unless anyone else has ever seen it written down somewere that isn't one of the multiple starwars books that imply it to be false, given we have sources putting Naval commanders in charge of Starfighter operations, unless you have any proof of a seperate corps? -- User:DemonicBear
- No, it's not definitely fanon if you've only checked the Imperial Sourcebook. Besides, you shouldn't have put a delete tag on the article in the first place. What jSarek did is the proper way of going about this. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Definetly fanon, to the point I am extremely sure of this, otherwise I wouldn't have put a deletion notice on it -- User:DemonicBear
- A pity. It's a fairly robust article. --School of Thrawn 101 09:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's not just the title. The very existence of a starfighter-related branch of the military outside of the Imperial Army or Navy is quite likely fanon. jSarek 06:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Jack, the burden of proof is on anyone that wants to show that the article is canon, not fanon. Fanon checking is oversight...you simply have to shine the light to begin the process. As Demonic Bear has stated, there is no currently no evidence of an Imperial Starfighter Corps in established canon materials dealing specifically with Imperial military organization. At this point, it's on whoever wants to keep the article around to prove that it's not fanon. --School of Thrawn 101 20:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Demonic Bear has essentially ended this. On Talk:Imperial Starfighter Corps, an image he provided shows the existance of an Imperial starfighter corps in writing. The only thing that's fanon about the Starfighter Corps is saying that the Corps was independent from the Navy. So, in the end, Demonic Bear did have the burden of proof, so to say, as he proved the article is canon, to a point. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
20:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Demonic Bear has essentially ended this. On Talk:Imperial Starfighter Corps, an image he provided shows the existance of an Imperial starfighter corps in writing. The only thing that's fanon about the Starfighter Corps is saying that the Corps was independent from the Navy. So, in the end, Demonic Bear did have the burden of proof, so to say, as he proved the article is canon, to a point. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
The line proving the existance of the Imperial Starfighter Corps, referred to only as "an elite corps within the Imperial Navy", is the first line of the fourth paragraph.
- Incorrect Jack, the piece shows that TIE pilots are an Elite corps therefore it would be correct, if there is to be a renaming of the article rather than a deletion, it should be corrected as the Naval Starfighter Corps or the TIE corps - both are conjecture but are more acurate to the source and show that it's not a seperate starfighter corps in the same vein as other canon corps of the same name - this also meens that the article requires extensive re-writing before it is of a canon standard. -- DemonicBear
- From a certain point of view, we were both correct. A renaming is necessary, but I think this may be a good choice for the article's name: Imperial Naval Starfighter Corps. In addition, you're right in that a rewrite is needed, but I don't think it will be an extensive one. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 22:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- From a certain point of view, we were both correct. A renaming is necessary, but I think this may be a good choice for the article's name: Imperial Naval Starfighter Corps. In addition, you're right in that a rewrite is needed, but I don't think it will be an extensive one. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)