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The result of the debate was Support proposal. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:49, March 25, 2019 (UTC)
The result of the debate was Support proposal. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:49, March 25, 2019 (UTC)
This CT comes as a follow-up of my arguments in this Senate Hall post. To summarize, all Star Wars: The Old Republic articles are being labelled as appearances of the base game apart from those that are featured on game expansions on launch day. And the SWTOR page's massive appearances section is also including ALL content that came with the base game, later updates and expansions and it has become a big mess but ultimately some editors are doing things one way and others are doing things other ways resulting in some conflicts. What I intend with this CT is to establish a rule and organize the appearances according to the way the game developers have separated the game in relation (each version module is related to a story expansion). Story content that has come after an expansion in a small update is being incorrectly referenced as a base game appearance simply because we have nothing establishing how to proceed regarding update material.
Proposal
- Content will be separated according to the list I presented in the SH thread.
- All content from version 1.0 to update 1.7 is an appearance of the base game Star Wars: The Old Republic
- All content from version 2.0 to 2.10 is part of the major expansion Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Hutt Cartel
- Exceptions to this will be the two expansions that were launched during the Rise of Cartel version module: Galactic Strongholds and Galactic Starfighter but as they aren't story expansions, only the content that came with it and that pertains to it (house decorations and Starfighter online maps) should be included in them.
- All content featured from 3.0 to 3.3 is part of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan
- All material from 4.0 to 4.7.1 is part of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire
- Everything launched from 5.0 to 5.10 is part of Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne
- And this will also be applied in the expansion 6.0 coming this year and so on, so on.
- Adding to the main point, things that aren't considered part of the base game will be removed from SWTOR/Apps and added to respective pages (instead of being segregated by symbols).
Winterz (talk) 00:25, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
Support
- It's important to establish some form of organization and consensus to this. Winterz (talk) 00:25, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me. Also, I think it would be nice to have a note in that Appearances section that states it only covers the base game.
Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 01:59, March 16, 2019 (UTC) - --Lewisr (talk) 02:06, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Somewhere Cade is turning in his digital grave. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:26, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- I think the case-by-case exceptions group might be a little bigger and more complicated than I thought, but still not large enough of a problem . Fan26 (Talk) 16:37, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Sounds logical, and this at least helps keep the main TOR article's Appearances list from being any larger than it already is. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:50, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Very important indeed. --Rakhsh (talk) 17:01, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Cwedin(talk) 17:02, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Exiled Jedi (talk) 18:32, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- I salute the person implementing these changes. Tommy
Macaroni 20:43, March 16, 2019 (UTC) - --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:58, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 16:25, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
- AV-6R7Crew Pit 16:32, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
- Zed42 (talk) 04:59, March 19, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose
Discussion
- I'd like to request a small tweaking regarding those "case-by-case" groups who came out in expansion updates but are accesible in the main game (e.g. the NPC on Carrick Station marked as the Alliance Envoy or something like that), so that they are still grouped in SWTOR/Appearances. I think the annotation symbols should be applied to these sorts of things to mark them as from different updates. Fan26 (Talk) 18:30, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused. Do you mean vendor characters that were introduced in the 5.0 expansion? And that we should include them where? Winterz (talk) 22:32, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
- My bad. Vendor characters, mounts, weapons, and miscellaneous things such as the Alliance Envoy (who just stands around in Carrick Station) that were introduced in 2.0 or further along but accessible outside of those expansions (e.g., on Carrick Station). I'm saying to keep them in the main SWTOR/Appearances, and use the old annotation symbols denoting stuff that came from updates for them to denote whichever update they were part of. Fan26 (Talk) 18:22, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- Stuff from the Cartel market and the sort is a complicated matter. However, imagine yourself writing a Bts section for a Alliance Envoy (didn't this come in 5.0?) or some Eternal Alliance speeder model. Would you write that it was introduced in the 2011 SWTOR game or in a expansion to the 2011 SWTOR game? That's the point I'm making here: to stop adding new stuff to the base game. It's hard to put a Alliance Envoy-sort of character into in-universe language but isn't it fair to assume the Eternal Alliance didn't exist during the vanilla game's time period? Winterz (talk) 20:31, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- You do have a good point there. Fan26 (Talk) 01:21, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
- So under this system, how would a subject like this work? Fan26 (Talk) 14:31, March 19, 2019 (UTC)
- As I said, Cartel stuff is complicated as they're not always associated with updates or expansions. And this blaster doesn't even have any reference to the story. Still, in this CT it's pointed out "all content," so this should be part of Shadow of Revan expansion. Winterz (talk) 15:22, March 19, 2019 (UTC)
- So under this system, how would a subject like this work? Fan26 (Talk) 14:31, March 19, 2019 (UTC)
- You do have a good point there. Fan26 (Talk) 01:21, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
- Stuff from the Cartel market and the sort is a complicated matter. However, imagine yourself writing a Bts section for a Alliance Envoy (didn't this come in 5.0?) or some Eternal Alliance speeder model. Would you write that it was introduced in the 2011 SWTOR game or in a expansion to the 2011 SWTOR game? That's the point I'm making here: to stop adding new stuff to the base game. It's hard to put a Alliance Envoy-sort of character into in-universe language but isn't it fair to assume the Eternal Alliance didn't exist during the vanilla game's time period? Winterz (talk) 20:31, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- My bad. Vendor characters, mounts, weapons, and miscellaneous things such as the Alliance Envoy (who just stands around in Carrick Station) that were introduced in 2.0 or further along but accessible outside of those expansions (e.g., on Carrick Station). I'm saying to keep them in the main SWTOR/Appearances, and use the old annotation symbols denoting stuff that came from updates for them to denote whichever update they were part of. Fan26 (Talk) 18:22, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused. Do you mean vendor characters that were introduced in the 5.0 expansion? And that we should include them where? Winterz (talk) 22:32, March 16, 2019 (UTC)