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None. All at that level would have to ignore blatant indications that they are doing things that are clearly unethical and not in the best interest of galactic citizens. ONLY in the interest of Palpatine maintaining his rule.
@StillFlyingHalfAShip my wife didn’t know—and even after seeing all the movies and many of the shows, often has to be reminded.
His gf may not know either. What’s pop culture 101 to people hanging out in a Star Wars wiki may not be pop culture for the rest of the world.
If you watch in chronological order, it will ruin the best three movies (the original trilogy). Vader’s reveal to Luke in ESB is one of the most iconic moments in cinema history. You don’t want to rob her of the surprise of that moment. You also don’t want her to know that Luke and Leia are siblings.
Watch it in release order first. Then watch it again in chrono if she’s willing. They are two different experiences. But you can’t get the true release experience once you’ve watched in chrono (whereas you CAN get a good chrono experience after watching release order first).
Pretty much the only content I’m hanging on to to save Star Wars for me at this point. Trailer looks good to me…I’m not disappointed. I loved the first season and felt it was the most mature Star Wars content to hit Disney Plus. I’m hoping the second season can live up to the potential.
I haven’t watched Acolyte or Skeleton Crew yet. I’m struggling hard to get through Ahsoka. Please let this one be a winner…
The Vong are not the coolest thing in the EU. Not by a long shot. And they already have their Canon analog—the Grysk. So it’s more likely we’d see the Grysk than the Vong.
Well I don’t think they could use them until they died because didn’t they age rapidly? They wouldn’t be much use as shock troops once they are using walkers and wheelchairs.
I think the canon reference we have and what this thread is based on is the homeless clone in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series. I’m not sure if there are other broad references to the clones being dismissed and/or cast away. But someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Don’t forget that the Empire engaged in master class propaganda—better than the Republic. I don’t get the impression there was a concerted or nefarious effort to ostracize or hurt the clones. It’s just that once they’d served their purpose in Palpatine’s plan (just like the droid armies), they were no longer a cost worth taking on. Imperial news organizations/propaganda likely just ignored them, and therefore those not actively seeing them didn’t really notice.
I’ll say too, the number of homeless veterans in the United States is absolutely appalling. Vets often suffer from terrible PTSD and have a hard time adjusting to civilian life after having gone through battle. American society (today) tends to be extremely pro-veteran (that wasn’t so in the 1970s and 80s) with significant support from both major political parties. And yet, despite this great public support, we still can’t get taking care of our veterans right the way we should.
So perhaps cut some slack too to the Imperial Senate and galactic society. Just because we see homeless clones begging for money doesn’t mean that they aren’t appreciated by the people they served. It’s just not always easy for societies to make right by their veterans. Certainly in Palpatine’s Empire, what gets funded is ultimately what keeps him powerful, and housing old clones and providing them job support and mental healthcare isn’t likely high on his budget requests.
^most stormtroopers probably never fired their blaster in combat. The vast majority of the ones that did probably had the luxury of doing so at unarmed or under-armed targets, or at combatants that had first been pummeled by orbiting star destroyers, TIE Bombers, landing craft, walkers, tanks, and countless other weapons.
When stormtroopers encountered strong opposition from organized and well equipped enemies, like the Rebel Alliance, they often probably had their hands full and those battles may have been desperate. But in the grand scheme of things, those encounters were probably relatively rare, and only a fraction of the stormtrooper corps ever experienced that.
Imperial army troopers, which garrisoned many worlds, probably faced tougher challenges to be honest. But even then it was probably child’s play compared to the terror the Empire used its military to inflict on insurgents and often their own civilians.
If you want to feel sorry for stormtroopers, feel sorry for the Nazi like indoctrination that they were forced to go through to make them willing to both die and kill without any sense of morality for the emperor. Oh, and remember that that emperor is actually a Sith Lord who has duped the entire galaxy into thinking he’s the legal leader and he wants to help. In fact, his whole life is a lie, and his purpose is nothing other than to ensure his own ultimate power. Everyone who believes in him is actually expendable.
And let’s add in the number of people killed on Alderaan too, as it was destroyed by the first Death Star. And then add in the number of people killed on the Liberty and Nautilian, which the second Death Star destroyed.
And then if we really want to get crazy, let’s add up the total number of people killed in Imperial atrocities, like the murder of virtually all Geonosians (canon) and Dentaalians (Legends).
Is this post intended to make us feel sympathy at the scale of loss in the destruction of two super weapons designed purposely to destroy planets and instill terror? If so, I think the Rebel leadership can sleep soundly at night, without much weeping for the loss of those stormtroopers.
It’s not really that ramming one ship into another through hyperspace is intrinsically lore breaking—it’s not like the physics of how all the shit works is written down and peer reviewed…
The problem is that the maneuver was so incredibly devastating (it didn’t just ruin the supremacy but basically the whole fleet), accompanied by (a) the plethora of hyperspace capable craft in the Star Wars universe and (b) the clear presence of drone/droid-controlled ships, that the entire concept of warfare in Star Wars is called into question.
It would be more effective for militaries to build and deploy fleets of smaller hyperspace capable drone missiles and use them to ravage enemy fleets, if this maneuver is so devastating. The fact that one cruiser at hyperspace could destroy an enemy fleet calls into question many of the space combat tactics we’ve seen before.
And TROS’s retcon is just as bad as the original maneuver being left unexplained as to why it hasn’t been done more frequently. Why is it one in a million? If I’m in a starfighter and have my nose pointed at a star destroyer, and I jump to light speed, will I miss the damn thing? If so how? How is it one in a million if all she had to do was point the bow of the Raddus at the Supremacy to make it work?
So I don’t mind the maneuver per se. But like so much in the sequels, it just requires better positioning and explanation. It requires the touch of a creator who cares how his/her story impacts the stories that came before.
Ahsoka book is canon.
As far as Thrawn books, there are canon and Legends stories.
The original Thrawn trilogy (now Legends) written by Timothy Zahn was written in the early 1990s. It represented a major turning point in the Star Wars expanded universe. It served as the “flagship” of Legends novels in the 1990s, as many subsequent authors built off of its narrative. It is almost universally beloved among Star Wars fans, as it presented a plausible post Endor situation and represented the OT characters quite well. The first book in that trilogy is called Heir to the Empire. It’s followed by Dark Force Rising and The Last Command. In my personal opinion, this is the foundation of post-Endor Legends material. Everything else revolves around it, so to speak…maybe until The New Jedi Order series, which is another important pivot point in the Legends EU.
There are also canon Thrawn novels, also written by Timothy Zahn. I’ve read the first three. They are good, but not nearly as good as the Legends trilogy. This trilogy has the titles of Thrawn, Thrawn: Alliances, and Thrawn: Treason, the best of which was Alliances in my opinion. There are subsequent books about Thrawn and his aide-de-camp Eli Vanto.
@Tedious01 if you’ve already read the Thrawn trilogy in Legends (which I would posit my be one of the best Star Wars EU stories ever written), you might enjoy the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron series that lead up to those events. In my mind, Thrawn’s campaign represents the Empire’s high water point after Endor in Legends. Everything after that in the traditional Rebel vs Empire narrative is kinda downhill. The Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stories are build ups to the Thrawn campaign, and therefore still maintain an excitement of Alliance vs. Empire that existed in the original trilogy.
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An example of what great storytelling and fantastic production can do in the Disney era. I just hope for more movies like this one moving forward. Please.
I sure hope he’s dead. His season 3 character ruined his season 1 character.
Coincidence. Although it’s probably pretty normal for dark side users to blame their dark side on other people.
Tedious can you give us something to go on, like your favorite time period, favorite characters, preference for stories about the force, about the military, about politics, etc., feelings about Legends vs. Canon? Even if you’re open to everything, give us some general parameters so we can narrow down recommendations. There are a thousand (literally) different media we could offer.
Her story in Star Wars is a good one, because of the nuance and complexity this essay emphasizes. I agree with the tenor and general conclusions.
As far as I know though, she was never held to account for her participation in Death Watch. Regardless of whether we saw her actually kill innocents or burn villages, her association with and support for the faction does burden her with the responsibility for the crimes, particularly because of her prominent family status.
Do I hate her or want an apology from her? No. Complex characters are a good thing for the franchise. But, if we’re concerned with justice, then her story still holds more potential.
^it doesn’t really matter what you call it. If they have sex in that galaxy far far away (which they obviously do), then there is undoubtedly hetero, homo, maybe robo, and all kinds of other sex happening.