@Padawan Jedi 66

Well you're in luck about discovering the story over time, because we saw most of that flashback from Osha's perspective and the Jedi come out relatively okay in it, which doesn't line up with Torbin killing himself over what happened so we're definitely missing part of the story. We're going to be seeing another flashback of what happened from Mae and/or the Jedi's perspective some point later on.

@UndyingSoldier

I agree that Anakin not being the only immaculate conception in the history of Star Wars doesn't undermine him at all, especially as it was the will of Mother Aniseya and not the will of the Force. And as far as we can tell it's not like they have Anakin level M-Counts, and they're definitely not going to go on to destroy the Sith (Also the wording of the prophecy specifies that the Chosen One is Male). If the Chosen One comes up at all in relation to the Twins we know that any character that suggests one of them is the Chosen One is wrong.

I think there's one flaw in your theory though, even if the Witches were in cahoots with the Sith there's no way the Jedi would know that, as far as the Jedi know at the time the Sith died 900 years ago with Darth Bane and they don't realise that they're wrong until they encounter Darth Maul 100 years after the Acolyte takes place.

Basically any Jedi who encounter Sith in between those two events either die before they can alert the rest of the Jedi Order, or they fail to identify them as being Sith Lords, for instance if the Jedi do manage to take down this masked Sith in the Acolyte they might mistake him as being a Knight of Ren.

Several special attributes of Anakin have certainly diminished over time in the new canon, however.

He now no longer holds the distinction of being conceived without a father.

He also now no longer was the one to finally destroy the Sith.

All we need is for someone to declare the twins to have the highest midichlorian counts recorded to date, then we can consider Anakin done.

^Well that’s not likely to happen. And even if it did, is what makes Anakin special all of the superlatives attached to him? I’m not suggesting that, in the grander scheme of continuity, his “Chosen Oneness” won’t be, and hasn’t been, blunted by some of these additions to the lore, but to say his character is “done” feels hyperbolic considering he still has handily the best arc in the best movie franchise of all time.

Never mind the fact that there is a fundamental difference between being created by the Force itself and being created by someone using the Force. This was my original point. If we think Anakin was created by Palpatine or Plaguies, then yes, Osha and Mae’s brith diminishes Anakin’s. Which is why the idea of the Sith creating Anakin is not canon. Because it goes against him being the Chosen One, regardless of whatever the Acolyte does.

I don't get why anyone is bothering to get upset about Anakin's legacy as the Chosen One.

First off, Chosen One prophecies are such a lazy and overused trope that personally I prefer to ignore that aspect of the PT.

Secondly, the Legends EU already trampled all over the prophecy.

Palpatine returned in Dark Empire (three times technically) and Luke and Leia perma-defeated him. Not Anakin.

We had numerous post-ROTJ Sith, Caedus, Krayt, Wyyrlok, Talon to name but four.

And then Lucas widely shared that in his version of the ST he planned to bring back Darth Maul and have Talon as his apprentice.

So Canon is doing what the holy Dune Cow Legends did years before under Lucas' Lucasfilm (although Lucas did say Legends books should not be considered canon).

Finally, Acolyte has done absolutely nothing to change the Chosen One prophecy. The imagined changes are happening in people's heads unless Acolyte explicitly states otherwise.

So why are people being mardy about it?

I’d say the reason why fans treat the chosen one prophecy as special is because George Lucas himself treated it as special, as revealed in how he wrote the PT. There was lots of talk about the prophecy amongst the Jedi of that time.

Even Filoni himself focused on it in the dialogue when Obi Wan finally defeated Maul in Rebels.

Its all about consistency. Older authors of canon made a big deal about it (the prophecy, midichlorians, and all that those entail).

Newer authors of Canon bend and twist keys themes of it to rehash tales into new stories so that it is not consistent with the uniqueness of Anakin.

maybe this is due to lack of originality, or maybe it is just to milk that cash cow a little more. Who knows.

So special to George Lucas that he was going to have Sith practitioners Darth Maul and his apprentice Darth Talon in his proposed sequel trilogy.

Here's what Lucas said about how he was going to use Talon, "the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her."

So the creator of the Chosen One prophecy was going to dash it on the rocks for a reincarnated Darth Maul and his apprentice. Being all Sith. Who were supposed to have been destroyed by Anakin as part of the prophecy.

@Aunnesty

I appologize for my delayed reply.

You're right, good and evil are blurred. I never really thought about Star Wars' previously "more overt" portrayals of characters, each being easily identifyable as good or bad, but this show definately lacks that. I still don't recall what her name was, so I will still refer to her has head-honcho lady, but I remember her saying "There is no good or bad, there is only power and those allowed to use it." Or at least something extremely close to that. And ya, not the biggest fan of that interpretation of good and bad, because I don't think it really holds up when you really look at evil. To me, evil centers around selfiness rather than powa, but another prespective I loved hearing regarding a root of evil is the desire to control, to make everything happen the way you want it to. Matta fact, I actually first heard that from AJJ.

We certainly haven't seen anything quite like it for Star Wars before, and maybe that's one of the reasons it doesn't feel that much like Star Wars to me, but I just kind of take it as just doing something different. While I still don't love the Acolyte and its differences between past SW installments, but I'm also weary of saying that something shouldn't be done, because, I mean, if ol' Georgio didn't follow through with his plan for the Prequels because of the backlash, I may not have Revenge of the Sith or something. Story tellers should take chances and tell stories in different ways. Otherwise, we'd be getting whatever Marvel is doing, which is getting kind of boring and repettative to me. Andor is a fansastic, incredible, beautiful, resoundingly perfect example of doing something different. It, like the Acolyte, doesn't fit in the normal Star Wars shell to me, but it is one of the greatest things I have eva seen.

So take chances and tell your story just- don't create life, heh heh.... like- to me that is the worst thing about the show, because, the Darth Plagueis book is one of my favorite SW stories, and it just feels discounted after head-honcho was able to do it just like that. But hey, whatever, like I say, I can't have everything, and, more often than not, that is a good thing. But does any of this *ruin* Star Wars for me? neh- pfft, I say, yes "pfft!"

Anyways, I enjoyed reading as always, and we'll see where the Acolyte takes us, but I am looking forward to watching this next episode tonight. Hopefully wessa get some answers and explanations. You've got to understand that they also have to keep some mystery to the show, otherwise, people won't care to watch the show.

Nothing like those feelings of intense disappointment am I right? Nothing new under the sun. Remember that, Aun.

@Infantry31st

No worries. Thank you for such a thought-out reply.

I agree that evil centers around selfishness. In fact, I view Star Wars as the fight between selfishness and selflessness. That’s why I don’t like head-honcho lady’s quote. (Nice name btw.) I guess it could be explained in context because the witches don’t seem to believe in good or evil, but I still think it’s the wrong thing to put into star wars. If it was said by a pure villain, that could make sense, (it seems like something a villain would say,) but the show is trying to frame the witches as good, or “not bad.” Funnily enough, that line in the trailer is one of the first things that made me really skeptical of the show.

I’m all for something new and different. Like you mentioned, Andor was very different, so different that many thought it didn’t feel like Star Wars. Although I don’t like this new show, there are lots of ideas that I find interesting, like it being set in the High Republic, it being a mystery, and the one good, one bad twin idea. The actual exaction isn’t doing it for me though. But you’re right about story tellers needing to take chances, so I’ll try to be more forgiving, snd maybe eventually we’ll get the Revenge of the Sith of Disney Star Wars.

The creation of the twins is definitely one of the worst things about the show. Another reason why I hated episode 3….I don’t like using the word hate, but I think I do truly hate it. I really like the Plagueis novel too, and it seems so stupid that this lady could just create life.

Even though I don’t like the show, I’m glad to see so many people enjoying it and having fun with it. I’ll still try to go into each new episode with an open mind. I think the old saying “hope for the best and prepare for the worst” is my motto for the show going forward.