Forgive me for coming back to this, but there are still a couple of things I’d like to ask. Again, this is in the name of transparency for everyone.

Concerning intent: you are absolutely right. Intentions do not absolve actions. That’s an important part that everyone should take away here.

I also certainly understand that Jade’s comments cannot be shared verbatim. That’s a private matter at this point and endangers a wide range of users to repeat. However let’s talk about private and public for a second…

This is my biggest issue with the whole thing: it happened off site.

Now, I do realize that rules were voted into place that made the Discord server an official extension of Wookieepedia. Frankly, to put it mildly, I disagree with that practice. I know that doesn’t matter to those who voted and my say means very little, but it’s very troubling to a lot of people that their status as a Wookieepedian is hanging in the balance for behavior on a separate website. Not that anyone should behave differently, but this situation is an example of accidental mishap.

What sort of precedent is there for such a rule? As far as I know it is still Fandom’s policy that global blocks cannot be issued for off site behavior, what makes it ok for The Wook to do so locally? (At this point I could go off into a spiel about how it appears that the wiki is more concerned about their social reputation these days than taking care of their quality wiki editors, but I won’t. I don’t want to start that losing fight. But maybe I wanted to say it anyway? 😉)

Furthermore, was everyone in agreement on Jade’s punishment? By everyone I mean the entire administration including the dmods. As has been said, mods are currently not elected (again, I highly support developing an election process). They are chosen by other mods and then approved by the admins who, self-admittedly, still don’t know or much care about the Discussions culture. I sincerely hope that the mods were at least involved in the talks of action against Jade, and involved in a way where their opinions had weight. From out here, reading the announcement, seeing it locked before comments are made, and the mods not touching the subject here in this thread, it doesn’t look good. It kinda looks like they were simply forced to accept the choice like it or not.

Ultimately, that’s all any of us can do, accept it like it or not. These just happen to be some questions that I think the community, the one being most affected here, deserves answers to.

The off-site issue bugs me too. If someone screws up on the Discord server, by all means, kick them from the Discord server! But why should that get them blocked from a totally different site? Jade was a mod, so I understand revoking mod rights for what he said. If he said stuff like that here, people would be horrified to hear that from someone they're supposed to respect. But taking a step back, he HASN'T said that here, and probably regrets saying it on the Discord. I'm no mod and don't expect to change anything, but I feel like it would have been more reasonable to just temporarily suspend his mod rights rather than full-on blocking him. And also kick him from the Discord server.

Fair point.

We will not ‘move on from this’. You do not have the community’s support in this matter and the fact that you are speaking in circles, with out providing straight answers is concerning. What’s even more concerning is that if this is an issue of ‘trauma’ Jade caused to a handful of discord users the whole affair seems to be a case of glass houses vs. stones. Let’s not forget the administration was actively involved in deadnaming on the Wook up until quite recently… not only as practice but policy. Talk about trauma.

Jades firing for offsite comments and now Keulrons permaban for questioning admin action… do you smell that? There’s Purge in the air…

^^^, ^^^^ I agree with both of you, that each site has different rules and that each site is a different community too. If he pulled something on Discord, then he should be punished on Discord. The server requires 50 edits before having access to most channels, meaning that it’s effectively the editors’ server. Revoking his status for breaking the rules of a different community, on a different site, which only a few forum members even have access to (meaning his comment would not have affected the forum community) is a stretch.

Also, revoking the comment that incited his demotion from us leaves us all in the dark. FANDOM has an age limit, we can handle what he said. It’s much more important that we can piece our community back together.

You said yourself that you want more action and voting from the community, so give us the evidence to allow us to form opinions, and give us a say in what’s going on.

SJGB is absolutely right that we won’t let this go until you treat us like community members.

You’re almost forcing us to relive the events of the original moderators being banned.

In all seriousness, please stop asking for the comment(s) to be posted here. It’s not doable from the admin’s side, and the fact remains that it wasn’t even on this site to begin with. Demanding that information will not help you.

Alright.

Exactly, the deadnaming was a grave wrong and the current administration is working to counter the longstanding issues of discrimination and inaction on Wookieepedia, and that means tackling hurtful comments that promote harmful stereotypes on anywhere that involves the Wookieepedia community, especially the Discord server. Every user deserves the right not to be hurt by another, and the consequences for violating that are the same, even if the perpetrator is a well-respected moderator who has a history of being polite and hard-working here on Discussions. In fact, the failure to take care of other Wookieepedians is a failure to responsibly be in a position of authority. A user should not hold any position of authority, including the role of Discussions Moderator, if they are to disregard the impact of their own words. Harmful actions have consequences, period. The severity of the events have additionally necessitated a block as a preventative measure to ensure the safety of other Wookieepedians. I hope Jade uses the timeout for reflection, and I look forward to continue working with the remaining Discussions Moderators to develop a process for selecting new mods and ensure Wookieepedia is a fair and safe place for everyone.

@Givinname Hello there! I'm the admin who blocked Jade on the wiki and rescinded his position as a moderator here. Also, yes, I'm admittedly one of those admins you mention who have done little to no engagement with Discussions so far due to electing to sink my free time into the wiki side of Wookieepedia. I do hope I can eventually find time to change that on my side.

I saw your comment here and felt I had to clarify some things about what happened.

"This is my biggest issue with the whole thing: it happened off site." - you even say it yourself, the Discord server is an official extension of Wookieepedia, so it happened on Wookieepedia, same how this conversation is happening on Wookieepedia.

"Not that anyone should behave differently, but this situation is an example of accidental mishap." - oh, no no no, Jade was not issued disciplinary actions for "accidentally" saying something harmful and then promptly and on-point apologizing about it, followed by being very mindful of saying anything that might aggravate the harm he had already done. No. He was blocked as an editor and removed from his position of authority on Wookieepedia as moderator because he failed to properly apologize for his actions and showed no understanding of the harm he had done and in fact kept on doing (despite multiple users explaining it to him).

"What sort of precedent is there for such a rule?" - I might answer that with a rhetorical counter-question, "What sort of precedent, really, has there been on Wookieepedia over the previous years of its existence for users receiving disciplinary actions for behavior that causes hurt to marginalized members of the site's community?" but I believe that'll be covered in my following comments.

"As far as I know it is still Fandom’s policy that global blocks cannot be issued for off site behavior, what makes it ok for The Wook to do so locally?" - see my above point it not being "off-site". If members of the Wookieepedia community are hurting its other members, it's okay for Wookieepedia's administrators to take steps to ensure that doesn't keep happening. This is also in answer to your next question about the other moderators being involved with this decision. It is not the mods' job to discipline Wookieepedia users, even other moderators, in cases like this where they cause such a major hurt to other users. It is the administrators' job.

And lastly, your comment that "it appears that the wiki is more concerned about their social reputation these days than taking care of their quality wiki editors". - Yes, Wookieepedia cares about its social reputation - we do not want to keep being seen as a bigoted and unwelcoming website in which new users who happen to come from marginalized social groups do not feel safe or are even explicitly harmed - to the point, most frequently, of leaving this community behind. How many potentially "quality editors" have we lost so far due to this, I wonder? No, Wookieepedia wants to reverse that shitty trend and take care of all of its visitors, not just the established editors, and encourage an influx of new users - by making sure that they feel welcome and can cooperate with the established ones in order to keep building this project that we all choose to be a part of.